double or nothing bubble

[paulhouk03]

PokerStars Game #38293639202: Tournament #233100627, $50+$2 USD Hold'em No Limit - Level VIII (150/300) - 2010/01/17 8:33:32 ET
Table '233100627 1' 10-max Seat #6 is the button
Seat 1: I LIKE P0KER (3150 in chips)
Seat 4: Daizzee (1690 in chips)
Seat 6: S41_B (740 in chips)
Seat 7: jp_montemps (325 in chips)
Seat 8: BOOKER T (3190 in chips)
Seat 10: Mezzetin (5905 in chips)
I LIKE P0KER: posts the ante 30
Daizzee: posts the ante 30
S41_B: posts the ante 30
jp_montemps: posts the ante 30
BOOKER T: posts the ante 30
Mezzetin: posts the ante 30
jp_montemps: posts small blind 150
BOOKER T: posts big blind 300
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to S41_B [ ]



shove or fold and pray?

[Longy]

Ugh pretty sick spot. I think I fold as we have no fold equity and aren't first to blind out.

[Blatch]

Ugh pretty sick spot. I think I fold as we have no fold equity and aren't first to blind out.

+1

[outragous76]

is a flat call super bad?

id be happy to get my money in against both villains in this spot - ie we flat, he ships - bb calls (or even shoves, and we get em in too.

if we flat and he folds - we can get em in on a friendly flop

its really tricky - lets assume we fold and he folds - then the blinds go up - you are forced to pay 600 + antes the next orbit - and your are bvb v's shorty with ATC

I dont think a shove or flat call are bad in this spot - given the absolute specifics of the hand and the fact he isnt going to blind away this orbit

[GreekStein]

I'm never flatting.

Its a pass Pauly Ho.

[Longy]

Flatting is truly awful, the shortie always fold unless he kk+ (while chuckling to himself that the games will always be beatable when people do crap like this). Then ever folding pre or post flop is so comedy bad it is unreal. As we have just put in about half our stack to fold and now the next person to bubble as the blinds hit us before the shortie.

With 725 the blinds can go through us and swallow up shortie first, if we flat and then pass the blind swallow us first.

[paulhouk03]

i did pass but l didnt cash lol

the shorty doubled up and if i shoved i woulda hit trips on the flop and won.

[George2Loose]

i did pass but l didnt cash lol

the shorty doubled up and if i shoved i woulda hit trips on the flop and won.

No you wouldn't have

[GreekStein]

i did pass but l didnt cash lol

the shorty doubled up and if i shoved i woulda hit trips on the flop and won.

No you wouldn't have

He might have

[NigDawG]

on bubble pretty std fold pre imo. how the f u get this short?!

[Longy]

on bubble pretty std fold pre imo. how the f u get this short?!

Pretty standard to get this short in DON's and end up in a folding war.

[TightEnd]

Play a lot of these, folding is super-normal here

2+2 has a whole stragey forum for them, try there too

Flatting is horrendous, the whole point is the shortstack blinds out before you do, flatting ruins this and assuming you don't win the pot it means you go through the blinds next and exit

If you had 1500 then you have some fold equity against the bb, but with 725 you have to fold and most of the time 325 stack will go out

[paulhouk03]

on bubble pretty std fold pre imo. how the f u get this short?!

i had 2200
raised
short pushed
he had 1500

i had ak he had kq

i lose

[pokerfan]

If you need to ask this question i dont think the $50 dons are the future for you.

[outragous76]

this is def not a clear a fold as you guys are making out

he has to pay A MINIMUM of 7x 30 antes

then best case lets say the blinds only go up on our BB

so we have 210 +400

then the next hand we are all in in the sb against mr shorty in the BB with atc and probably the 2 big stacks

im afraid with all the above all your def folding isnt so clear cut

furthermore - if the blinds go up the next hand - it gets even closer to us busting first