Any positives from this hand?

[Radagast]

First of all, I know i played this very badly.  It affected me so much I couldnt get over it.

Playing in a live 40 quid tourney for 10k starting stack. 

30 left of 42.  I had played well but tight so far.

I have approx 15 k, villain has 17.  She has played well, but quite loose and aggressive.  Has made some moves but when shown down has made decent decisions post flop even with low cards.

Blinds 300/600.

Im utg with  and just call for 600.
1 fold
2 fold
3 fold
villain  raise to 2500.
5 fold
6 fold
sb fold
bb fold

At this point i feel she could be making a move but should have at least something decent as players still to act.  This is when i made my big mistake by nor reraising as when calling initially this is really what i was looking for.  1 player to raise .

I just call the 2500.

Flop

 

I check (i know but now i was thinking about her being able to knock me out and her probably not laying down even a draw.)

She raises 2500

I call

Turn

 

I check

She raises 3600

I fold

She mucks and takes the pot

I lost 5600 on that hand thinking i still had 10k or so remaining.  But i was hit for six.  Played on for another couple of hours or so but  badly.

After the obvious failing to re raise pre flop or raise on the flop, was I right to fold at the turn?  Was this the best place for me in the tourney to double up?

[Longy]

I always open this utg, i am not a fan of the limp reraise utg. As it is really transparent and loses a lot of value over simply raising in the first place. I think you need a real specific table dynamic for this to be more +ev, than simply raising in the first place.

The flop looks a really good spot to check raise all in, with stack sizes and our hand.

After that the hand is so butchered and a spot that I would never face that I am confused as to the best way to play it as well.

[GreekStein]

A lot of live players think limp re-raising from UTG is really good because it's clever cunning etc but all it does is turn your hand face up when you re-raise. As Mark Long says, just raise pre. As played I'm probably calling it off tbh.

Also...

First of all, I know i played this very badly.  It affected me so much I couldnt get over it.

Don't beat yourself up about it mate...

She takes the pot

Yeah now pretty much this....

[Cottonbud]

Seems like a certain bluff to me, dunno what she thinks shes repping on the turn.. pocket 7's lol. If your gonna play like this preflop at least donk bet the flop. I guess the positives are you wont make this play again so in theory it should of improved your game for the future.

[titaniumbean]

One thing to learn is that when you check you cant get raised, your opponent may check his option or BET. You may then RAISE and he canhaz RERAISE.........

[nirvana]

Inadvertently I think you've created a decent spot on the flop - check raise all in on the flop and then you can feel macho at least

[BulldozerD]

i can't think of anything i would have done the same here

[Longy]

Seems like a certain bluff to me, dunno what she thinks shes repping on the turn.. pocket 7's lol. If your gonna play like this preflop at least donk bet the flop. I guess the positives are you wont make this play again so in theory it should of improved your game for the future.

Why on earth would you donk bet the flop, after our preflop line and the stack sizes?

[NigDawG]

obv don't limp pre, but if you do i def c/r all in on the flop

[Cottonbud]

Seems like a certain bluff to me, dunno what she thinks shes repping on the turn.. pocket 7's lol. If your gonna play like this preflop at least donk bet the flop. I guess the positives are you wont make this play again so in theory it should of improved your game for the future.

Why on earth would you donk bet the flop, after our preflop line and the stack sizes?

To induce a re-raise from our villain as our bet will look weak or like a draw (Obv happy to get it in to villains reraise), either that or check raise allin but how do we know villain is going to bet this scary looking flop.

[Longy]

Seems like a certain bluff to me, dunno what she thinks shes repping on the turn.. pocket 7's lol. If your gonna play like this preflop at least donk bet the flop. I guess the positives are you wont make this play again so in theory it should of improved your game for the future.

Why on earth would you donk bet the flop, after our preflop line and the stack sizes?

To induce a re-raise from our villain as our bet will look weak or like a draw (Obv happy to get it in to villains reraise), either that or check raise allin but how do we know villain is going to bet this scary looking flop.

I had a feeling you were going to say that, but in general only thinking comptent players ever do this (this is a £40 local casino donkament) and in this spot I am not even sure they do this because of the board texture/stacks. If someone donks this flop they are rarely passing as some many hands have good equity that they have already priced themselves into calling a raise.

Check/raising is so much better in spot imo.

[Radagast]

Thanks guys, something I forgot to mention earlier was that I had raised 3 times bb utg in previous round with Aces and got no callers.  It was like I was trying to check raise her and maybe drive out some dead money in the pot from 1 or 2 other callers. 

Cant believe I just called pre flop.  Maybe because I didnt have to drive out others...But at the same time didnt learn anything about her hand at any time.  Thats what annoyed me most.  I didnt force her to play well or make a decision, as i told her i was weak all along.

I dont normally post my hands.  Sorry to upset the poker police half way through the replies by the way.

When I walk away from a tourney I curse myself sometimes for calling to much and not reraising.

Im going back this wednesday to same tourney.

Thanks for the replies.

[EvilPie]

Thanks guys, something I forgot to mention earlier was that I had raised 3 times bb utg in previous round with Aces and got no callers.  It was like I was trying to check raise her and maybe drive out some dead money in the pot from 1 or 2 other callers. 

Cant believe I just called pre flop.  Maybe because I didnt have to drive out others...But at the same time didnt learn anything about her hand at any time.  Thats what annoyed me most.  I didnt force her to play well or make a decision, as i told her i was weak all along.

I dont normally post my hands.  Sorry to upset the poker police half way through the replies by the way.

When I walk away from a tourney I curse myself sometimes for calling to much and not reraising.

Im going back this wednesday to same tourney.

Thanks for the replies.

All the more reason to make exactly the same raise now. Anyone who's been watching will have noticed your previous raise and think that this time you're just nicking it because it got through last time.

They won't see it as being overly strong this time but if you limp/raise then they'll be dropping anything that you're beating.

As for your play in the hand you definitely need to get this in on the flop if possible. Your limp was poor but I actually don't mind your flat of her raise. This has disguised your hand well and you actually look a lot like AK now or a small pair who was set mining.

I make it 5.7k on the flop to induce a semi bluff shove from her AJ which we obviously insta call.

[Cottonbud]

Seems like a certain bluff to me, dunno what she thinks shes repping on the turn.. pocket 7's lol. If your gonna play like this preflop at least donk bet the flop. I guess the positives are you wont make this play again so in theory it should of improved your game for the future.

Why on earth would you donk bet the flop, after our preflop line and the stack sizes?

To induce a re-raise from our villain as our bet will look weak or like a draw (Obv happy to get it in to villains reraise), either that or check raise allin but how do we know villain is going to bet this scary looking flop.

I had a feeling you were going to say that, but in general only thinking comptent players ever do this (this is a £40 local casino donkament) and in this spot I am not even sure they do this because of the board texture/stacks. If someone donks this flop they are rarely passing as some many hands have good equity that they have already priced themselves into calling a raise.

Check/raising is so much better in spot imo.

I don't really have any experience in these sort of tornys. So I will take your word for it

[NigDawG]

Seems like a certain bluff to me, dunno what she thinks shes repping on the turn.. pocket 7's lol. If your gonna play like this preflop at least donk bet the flop. I guess the positives are you wont make this play again so in theory it should of improved your game for the future.

Why on earth would you donk bet the flop, after our preflop line and the stack sizes?

To induce a re-raise from our villain as our bet will look weak or like a draw (Obv happy to get it in to villains reraise), either that or check raise allin but how do we know villain is going to bet this scary looking flop.

I had a feeling you were going to say that, but in general only thinking comptent players ever do this (this is a £40 local casino donkament) and in this spot I am not even sure they do this because of the board texture/stacks. If someone donks this flop they are rarely passing as some many hands have good equity that they have already priced themselves into calling a raise.

Check/raising is so much better in spot imo.

I don't really have any experience in these sort of tornys. So I will take your word for it

sick brag from james "i only play 1ks" williams