strange hand from aussie millions main event

[pleno1]

Also with 60k stacks, what hands would you shove for value?

[Cf]

I've written a few different posts here deciding whether or not I like to raise the flop or not.

I've come to the conclusion that you've played the hand well.

My only concern is that the flat calling feels very much like the . I doubt we'll get paid much on later streets. That said we're obviously never folding, drawing to the nuts and have an overpair. Hopefully if river bricks it'll go check/check. But after he makes that bet though I can't see you being good. Though against an aggressive player you never know. I fold as well.

[titaniumbean]

imo if a good player is leading into another good player on a wet board, then they both have wide ranges.


I think raising the flop against a competent player without some weird history already is bad. If we get 3 bet we pretty much have to fold and that makes my head hurt just thinking about it.

[titaniumbean]

What do we do when the river is a 3, a 6 or an Ace?


Those woulda been interesting!

[Cottonbud]

Just seen the size of that river bet Jesus! Hmmm... bit confused now! 

[Cottonbud]

1st time I saw this hand I just glanced at it and said good fold but studying it further and really thinking about it

What do you think he can honestly bet this big on the river with there's like 3 hands.. flopped flush, flopped sets T-T, Q-Q, 3-3 and maybe KQ with the king of clubs?! but this bet size on the river is so weird, I'm starting to doubt it now tbh. Would A-J with the jack of clubs make this same play and bet size?

Confusing.. his story just isn't making sense. Which is making me think this could be a bluff!

[MANTIS01]

Villain is decribed as aggro. He has opened a lot, he has 3bet a lot, and he has 4bet. This means he has bluffed a lot. If he hasn't been bluffing a lot he should review his vbet strategy cos it isn't working. By contrast hero has shown that he doesn't like putting chips in on later streets and usually checks it down. In previous hands villain has bet hero off pots. When we decide to smooth the flop we invite heat on later streets from this type of villain with this type of history. I agree that the size of the river bet doesn't necessarily mean we're beat. Oh yeah, and villain is wearing a hood.

[titaniumbean]

I probably call river. Seems like a very thin range of hands that do this for value and we've got near the top of our range here. Guess we could say that if he bluffs he bets small cos he's mostly trying to move you off the bare , but with this board there's a very high chance you have a good pair with it and he's probably figured that out and so gone for a larger bluff. The reason I say that there's a thin range that do this for value is that he possibly pot controls anything less than a flush at some point, and this would be a pretty thin value bet with anything less than top 2 on the river.

how wides his bluffing range? what's it composed of?

[titaniumbean]

Villain is decribed as aggro. He has opened a lot, he has 3bet a lot, and he has 4bet. This means he has bluffed a lot. If he hasn't been bluffing a lot he should review his vbet strategy cos it isn't working. By contrast hero has shown that he doesn't like putting chips in on later streets and usually checks it down. In previous hands villain has bet hero off pots. When we decide to smooth the flop we invite heat on later streets from this type of villain with this type of history. I agree that the size of the river bet doesn't necessarily mean we're beat. Oh yeah, and villain is wearing a hood.

this seems like a proper wafty post that says nothing

[Cottonbud]

I probably call river. Seems like a very thin range of hands that do this for value and we've got near the top of our range here. Guess we could say that if he bluffs he bets small cos he's mostly trying to move you off the bare , but with this board there's a very high chance you have a good pair with it and he's probably figured that out and so gone for a larger bluff. The reason I say that there's a thin range that do this for value is that he possibly pot controls anything less than a flush at some point, and this would be a pretty thin value bet with anything less than top 2 on the river.

how wides his bluffing range? what's it composed of?

Surely you should attempt to work this out yourself!

[GreekStein]

Villain is decribed as aggro. He has opened a lot, he has 3bet a lot, and he has 4bet. This means he has bluffed a lot. If he hasn't been bluffing a lot he should review his vbet strategy cos it isn't working. By contrast hero has shown that he doesn't like putting chips in on later streets and usually checks it down. In previous hands villain has bet hero off pots. When we decide to smooth the flop we invite heat on later streets from this type of villain with this type of history. I agree that the size of the river bet doesn't necessarily mean we're beat. Oh yeah, and villain is wearing a hood.

this seems like a proper wafty post that says nothing

Hi Titbeam,  meet Mantis....

[redarmi]

Was it by any chance a tall skinny German kid (looked early twenties??) with floppy hair (he was definitely on your table at some point)?

If so I played a very similar cash hamnd against him when we were both deepstacked and he had the flush. 

[titaniumbean]

I probably call river. Seems like a very thin range of hands that do this for value and we've got near the top of our range here. Guess we could say that if he bluffs he bets small cos he's mostly trying to move you off the bare , but with this board there's a very high chance you have a good pair with it and he's probably figured that out and so gone for a larger bluff. The reason I say that there's a thin range that do this for value is that he possibly pot controls anything less than a flush at some point, and this would be a pretty thin value bet with anything less than top 2 on the river.

how wides his bluffing range? what's it composed of?

Surely you should attempt to work this out yourself!

I cant see much that's why I asked someone who seems sure there are some combos.

[railtard1]

Saw someone say they dont see a ton of value hands in his range... meh, ii dont see ANY air in his range by river. I mean, if he is trying to get chris off a bare   , then he can bet pretty small on the river. His hand seems like exactly 33 or QT... and maybe small small flopped flushes.

EDIT... just looked at hand again, even QT is super thin on river... guess he has 33 or like  ... Just cant see him ever having pure air here..

[NigDawG]

i thought alot of his flop leading range pretty much got there (if it wasn't already there) on the river a tonne. hands like J9, KQ, AxJc, KcTx. it seems way too thin for him to be betting this size with just the bare , especially as the river is a good card for my range imo