pocket sevens

[warthog]

Hi, i just joined blonde forum. I'm currently living in Nottingham, doing a masters at the university and have been playing a weekly game at the local gala for bout 6 months. Actually, the reason i joined was because tikay was at my table when the following hand came up, i'd like to know what everyone thinks of my call.

The game is pot-limit texas with everyone starting with 2,000 chips. Blinds start at 25/50 but increase every half hour with a freeze-out after 90 mins. I was on a bit of a rush (had just over 20,000 in chips while the second biggest stack had around 8,000), when i picked up pocket sevens. Player A was UTG and raises the pot, only to be re-raised by the next two players. Player A has around 7,000, and players B and C were all-in for around 5,000. I called and matched player A's stack.

Turned out that Player A had pocket  66's while Players B and C both had AQ. The cards didnt help them and I took down a big pot. Now, im worried that was a horrible call as some players said but i often find that the fast structure suits trying to build up a stack cause people only play premium hands after the freeze-out (thats my justification), does anyone else have any thoughts about it?

[RED-DOG]

I would pass, you have nothing invested in this pot and you are almost certain to be behind

[RED-DOG]

btw Welcome to blonde, why not tell us about yourself on the "profiles" board

[warthog]

You're probably right but would you still pass with AK? After all, if im almost certainly behind with 77's then im probably behind with AK. While I had nothing invested i was risking a one-third of my stack but gettiing 3.5 to one on my stack.

[warthog]

...on my money i mean

[matt674]

latest member of the forum - only one post to his name and BAM, straight in with the technical stuff!!

 

Personally i too would pass in this situation, granted you have them all outchipped but i wouldnt want to risk over a third of my chips in a pot with 77 in a four way pot. Even knowing all your opponents cards you are still less than a 50% favourite to win the hand (so even with the best case senario you will lose more often than you will win). Given your chip advantage there will be better opportunities to increase your stack than this.

[RED-DOG]

Well the thing is, with AK you will be in front of a lot of hands and no worse than 50/50 against most pairs

With 77 you will be 50/50 against one opponent with overcards and a dog against two opponents

If one of them holds an overpair your almost dead in the water

[Nem]

latest member of the forum - only one post to his name and BAM, straight in with the technical stuff!!
Personally i too would pass in this situation, granted you have them all outchipped but i wouldnt want to risk over a third of my chips in a pot with 77 in a four way pot. Even knowing all your opponents cards you are still less than a 50% favourite to win the hand (so even with the best case senario you will lose more often than you will win). Given your chip advantage there will be better opportunities to increase your stack than this.

I agree with Matt.

Welcome to the blonde forum.

[matt674]

You're probably right but would you still pass with AK? After all, if im almost certainly behind with 77's then im probably behind with AK. While I had nothing invested i was risking a one-third of my stack but gettiing 3.5 to one on my stack.

Yes i'd pass AK as well in this situation for the same reasons if the pot had been raised by three different people before me

[matt674]

hmm, thought the first welcome looked a bit tame for you nemesis!!! 

[warthog]

Thanx, i'll bear that in mind. The other question thats been gnawing at me from that night is this: I made it to the final table with a bit of luck (77 hehe) and had 90,000 in chips which second in chips. Now early on blinds were pretty high (8,000/16,000) when i picked up AQ off. The guy with the third biggest stack raises the pot which was a considerable chunk of my stack. Given the steep nature of the prize money, tenth got £200 and first got £4000, i folded, only to get blinded away and coming 6th. Should i have called given the large ante's?

[warthog]

Btw, i was in middle position and had nothing invested but it turned out to be my best hand on the final table.

[matt674]

Yes, but hindsight is a wonderful thing - its only afterwards that you found that out, if you've have gone on to get AA three times in the next three rounds then chances are this question wouldnt exist.

This second question is a bit harder to answer, without knowing how the other players at your table were playing. Was the original raiser a rock or very loose? Who was still to speak behind you? How big were their stacks, and how do they normally play? How long was the clock and how long did you have left on the current level. How many players had you lost, or were you still 10 handed?

Chances are you can get 3 or 4 different answers here and all would be right in certain circumstances........

(p.s. this isnt monkeys way of saying "i have no idea!")

[warthog]

Actually, we were 9 handed and the original raiser was quite a loose player. There were 3 people behind me to play and i had them all outchipped but not by much, there were 10 mins left on the level.

[warthog]

Thinking bout it now, if i didnt care about the money i might have called, he could have raised with a lot of hands. Its funny saying it now though, its never as easy when you're playing. Anyway, thanx for the feedback, im sure i'll be posting agian very soon.