pocket sevens

[matt674]

well at this stage of a tournament i believe there are only two options available: raise or fold. At this stage of the tourney with the blinds being so high in relation to chip stacks i dont believe that flat calling is an option.

If i knew the original raiser to be very loose and that by reraising i could drive the remaining players in the hand to pass and get heads up with the original raiser then i may well go all in if i thought my AQ was best.

If however it appeared as though one of the players behind you was looking to call or reraise themselves then i may well pass and wait for a better opportunity, go with what your own instincts tell you and dont try and second guess yourself.

[Highstack]

Even knowing all your opponents cards you are still less than a 50% favourite to win the hand (so even with the best case senario you will lose more often than you will win).


Don't get me wrong I too would pass, but I don't agree with the above quote.

If I new what they had and I was slightly less than 50% I couldn't call fast enough. Don't forget he is getting over 3/1 on a call and therefore it would be a long term value call and he can not be eliminated.

[matt674]

he's not though, he's betting 7000 to win 17000 which is actually under 5 to 2 not over 3 to 1. strictly speaking yes he is still just about the right odds to call but at this stage of the tournament where he has already built up a decent stack - there would be no need to risk more than a third of his chips in this situation.

[77dave]

i agree totally with matt

although you are a suprising 52% fav preflop in this hand you need to give respect to at least one of the players for having a bigger pair than you.
it is still part of the rebuy period but you have already got a good size stack and therefore you dont need to be gambling i can afford to sit back and pick others off as they take risks

9/10 you will be a 33% fav or worse in a four way hand with that action preflop

[matt674]

i agree totally with matt

even if your name is 77dave?!?!?!?!

[77dave]

especially if your name is 77dave

my fav hand is 

i called 2 guys allin £100 each in a cash game

my 52off was a 36.8% fav as they both had AK suited

first card out was a king  i make a flush will my 

[matt674]

yes, i read about that in another post a while back - one of the many reasons why i'm a mtt monkey

[tikay]

Hehe, well first off, a big blonde welcome to warthog, a horrible name, if I may say so, for a smashing lad, who was very well-spoken & educated. Did I detect a hint of American in your accent, Mr Warthog?

I'm afraid I rather set this ball rolling. I watched the hand play out, (in fact, I may have been in it, I can't recall now) & it was my opinion that he was a shade fortunate to run into the combination of hands that he did - he was entitled to expect to see an overpair, surely? But no overpair, & 2 guys holding the same hand was a bit of shocker, and a bit of a result. I put him, at best, at 30% to win the hand - though it could easily have been worse - UNTIL I saw his opponents hokdings, which were an underpair, & TWO guys holding the SAME hand - AQ, so in fact he was around even money.  In the event, he was CORRECT, but he had no way of knowing that. Against three Re-Raisers, he may well have ben facing EVERY overcard to a 7 to be out - unlikely, but if that was NOT the case, then he's almost certainly facing 2 Overpairs.

He had lots of chips, too, & I felt he did not need to risk them in such an uncertain scenario. But then again, I was CERTAIN he would face one or more overpair, & in fact there were none, & two of the holdings duplicated each other!

Anyway, he won the hand, & good luck to him.

I must confess to breaking a Golden Rule after this hand. Everyone was chuntering about the lads play "shocking, terrible call, internet kid" etc, & I done summat I don't ever recall doing before - I suggested his play was not a good one. I don't believe one should do that AT the table, you should wait until after the game. So, Mr Warthog, my apologies, for fanning the flames.

But the good news is that I owe Mr Wrthog £10, cos we had a little private bet that he would NOT Final. At the time he was playing fast & loose, & hitting everything. Then he cleaned out Carrado's top two pairs with a set of deuces (or 3's) & so it went on.

Lovely guy. I hope we see more of him on blonde.

[warthog]

Thank you Tikay for such a warm welcome. I must admit now that the hand has been discussed, i made the wrong decision even though i had a fortunate outcome. And i don't mind you commenting afterwards, in fact,at the time, i think it turned out to be a good thing because after the "flames were fanned" i tightened up but people were still calling me with the worst hand so it was a bit of a blessing. Anyway, there is a £50 rebuy tommorow night which should have a nice purse so if you're interested it will be great to see you again. 

[tikay]

Sorry, no can do Thursday, I'm off to Helsinki in a few houirs, then straight to Brighton on Saturday, but if I blow out in Brighton, I'll probably be in Notts on Sunday, & deffo on Monday. I'll buy you a drink then.

Good Luick on Thursday.

[warthog]

Thanx, I probably won't be in Notts this weekend, am going home (London) for Christmas a bit early but if you know of any tourneys happening over the next few weeks, would love to hear about them. Im sure i'll see you soon, best of luck in Helsinki and Brighton.

[tikay]

Keep a eye on the "Live Poker" section of the Forum, games are generally mentioned in there.

Have a good one in London.