Everyone has one so why not..

[mondatoo]

I gave myself a proverbial slap on the back at the end of today's session.

The session started off really well and I was soon up 2 bi's, woohoooooo here comes the upswing: had AA<<<<AQ aip bvb then a reg opens KQos I 3b the btn with AA he peels, he c/c a 982r and c/j the 8 turn drawing dead, mbn etc. Then it all kind of went a bit pete tong. Lost 1 bi back when a tight reg limps utg, btn peels, I squeeze to 6 with KK bb fish calls and utg makes it 24, yukkkkkkkk. I jam he snaps and obv has AA, geeg. Then had AKcc<<<<<<<JJ, how I lost when they where both green I do not know, and so I was back to b/e. A fish playing 52/10 then limps utg, I make it 5 with JJ in hj he peels. Flop is 774r he c/c my psb, turn is a 4, he checks I bet 23 into 31.50, he calls. He then donks the 4 river, 7 into 77.50, I call, he has QQ lololol nhnh. I then had about 3/4 nfd's vs fish that all missed, got sucked out on in a couple of pots and was down $250.

At this point I satout out on all my tables for couple minutes as was pretty fukd off and just wondered WTF ??, I decided I was just going to switch it off and take a few days off. Then I looked at the tables again, two of them I had the same fish on playing 53/37 and was an abs maniac and he was super deep on both and I had 200bbs on one so I decided to keep playing but just 2 tabling for a bit. I grinded for a bit and hovered around the -$200 mark then hit a bit of a rush and was back to b/e. I loaded a couple more tables up grinded for a bit more and was up $150 when the maniac fish left so I left also so I could get some food and felt pretty chuffed that I'd stuck with it and grinded out of it.

[EvilPie]

Hi mate.

On HM how does KK seem to work for you in general?

I know when I was playing nitty games it was pretty much break even because it got coolered a lot vs AA aipf.

I often wondered whether I should fold it to heavy pre flop action. I never actually managed it but what are your thoughts?

[mondatoo]

Hi mate.

On HM how does KK seem to work for you in general?

I know when I was playing nitty games it was pretty much break even because it got coolered a lot vs AA aipf.

I often wondered whether I should fold it to heavy pre flop action. I never actually managed it but what are your thoughts?

I dont think it would ever be right to fold it pre 100bbs deep unless it was an extreme example, even then I doubt I do though

Even the nittier regs 5b shoving ranges are generally QQ+ AKs+ so it plays well against that range obv.

For all cash hands I've had KK 709 times and made $3219.60 profit with it.

[GreekStein]

Hi mate.

On HM how does KK seem to work for you in general?

I know when I was playing nitty games it was pretty much break even because it got coolered a lot vs AA aipf.

I often wondered whether I should fold it to heavy pre flop action. I never actually managed it but what are your thoughts?

I dont think it would ever be right to fold it pre 100bbs deep unless it was an extreme example, even then I doubt I do though

Even the nittier regs 5b shoving ranges are generally QQ+ AKs+ so it plays well against that range obv.

For all cash hands I've had KK 709 times and made $3219.60 profit with it.

How many cash hands u played!?

[mondatoo]

Hi mate.

On HM how does KK seem to work for you in general?

I know when I was playing nitty games it was pretty much break even because it got coolered a lot vs AA aipf.

I often wondered whether I should fold it to heavy pre flop action. I never actually managed it but what are your thoughts?

I dont think it would ever be right to fold it pre 100bbs deep unless it was an extreme example, even then I doubt I do though

Even the nittier regs 5b shoving ranges are generally QQ+ AKs+ so it plays well against that range obv.

For all cash hands I've had KK 709 times and made $3219.60 profit with it.

How many cash hands u played!?

Around 110k inc 50nl as well.

[pleno1]

Deciding where to play!

Ok, some people get this huuuuugely wrong, they just hear a percentage and go running after the highest one to find. There are several things to tak into consideration when looking to find a new room.


Rakeback:

The money you will receive at the end of the month as a % of your rake coming back into your account

Stars: 3/10
iPoker: 7/10
Microgaming: 5/10
Ongame: 7/10
Entraction: 7/10

The standard of opposition:

If I can have a 10bb/100 winrate and get 30% rakeback give me this all day over 50% rakeback and 2bb/100 winrate.

Stars: 3/10
iPoker: 4/10
Microgaming: 9/10
Ongame: 9/10
Entraction: 9/10

Software:

The ability to be able to run numerous tables at once, software that has good time banks, software that enables you to easily see whats going on.

Stars: 8/10
iPoker: 3/10
Microgaming: 7/10
Ongame: 6/10
Entraction: 7/10

Liquidity pool + Software

It's fantastic if you can get 10000 tables on your screen, but if you're sitting by yourself it's abit pointless.

Stas: 8/10
iPoker: 5/10
Microgaming: 7/10
Ongame: 6/10
Entraction: 5/10



Overall Scores:


Stas: 24/40
iPoker: 19/40
Microgaming: 28/40
Ongame: 28/40
Entraction: 28/40

As you can see Stars/iPoker come out the "worst" although granted this is my opinion and its only 4 things that I have considered.

I'm now going to do this again, but becuase for ME the most important thing is soft players, I am going to increase the scores by 50%. I don't care so much about software as I only 6 table so it should be fine everywhere, so I'm going to - 50% the the software and liquidity sections.


Rakeback:

The money you will receive at the end of the month as a % of your rake coming back into your account

Stars: 3/10
iPoker: 7/10
Microgaming: 5/10
Ongame: 7/10
Entraction: 7/10

The standard of opposition: (+50%)

If I can have a 10bb/100 winrate and get 30% rakeback give me this all day over 50% rakeback and 2bb/100 winrate.

Stars: 4.5/10
iPoker: 6/10
Microgaming: 13.5/10
Ongame: 13.5/10
Entraction: 13.5/10

Software:  (-50%)

The ability to be able to run numerous tables at once, software that has good time banks, software that enables you to easily see whats going on.

Stars: 4/10
iPoker: 1.5/10
Microgaming: 3.5/10
Ongame: 3/10
Entraction: 3.5/10

Liquidity pool + Software

It's fantastic if you can get 10000 tables on your screen, but if you're sitting by yourself it's abit pointless.

Stas: 4/10
iPoker: 2.5/10
Microgaming: 3.5/10
Ongame: 3/10
Entraction: 2.5/10



Overall Scores: (after adjustment)


Stas: 15.5
iPoker: 17
Microgaming: 25.5
Ongame: 26.5
Entraction: 26.5


Other considerations:

Who is my affiliate? This is incredibly important. Sure go get a 75% deal, but if you're not going to get paid at the end of the month why bother?

Case #1: PotRaiser.com

This case clearly shows that illegal deals are not safe, even if they are offered from the poker room directly.
Please point out how important it is to go for reputable and trustworthy operators which can be found on PokerStrategy.com.
Players have lost a significant amount of money and it is doubtful if they ever see it back – just because a shady company promised them high rakeback deals.

Cliffnotes:

•   Potraiser.com used to be an Entraction skin, that offered 60%+ flat rakeback through under the table deals to every player even though flat rakeback on Entraction  is capped at 30%
•   After Entraction found out about this offer and terminated the contract with Potraiser.com, players were unable to withdraw money from the site. (September 2010)

•   Potraiser.com announced on their website that players will be able to withdraw money as soon as they have finished their move to another network.

•   This never happened and players are still waiting to be paid (September 2011)

More information can be found on 2+2 forum: Link

Case #2: Affiliate disappears and owes players rakeback[/size]

Players should go with trustworthy affiliates, because everyone can promise high rakeback deals, but many of them fail to pay once they get caught (=their commission frozen).
Networks have started to monitor the affiliates´ activities and won´t hesitate to close those affiliates that don´t stick to the rules.
Even though players most likely won´t lose their bankroll, it is still bad to receive 0% rakeback if they could have gotten something from a legal deal.

This example is just one out of many similar cases that we know about.

•   Pokercapital.org was founded in January 2011 and claimed to be the “Facebook of poker”
•   They offered illegal deals on their forum/website and claimed to have around 750 players registered
•   They got caught giving illegal rakeback and went offline, of course they didn´t pay their players
•   Beginning of May 2011 they even try to sell their business for €200


When do the games run? If you can only play at 9am-4pm maybe stars is your only option if you are a 8 table grinder. Lots of the European games run in the evening and are soft because they are funded by Scananavian gamblers that come over from the sports book.

To summarise, its really important to choose the right room. If you think rakeback is super super important then make it 75% more in the charts I did, if you want to be a winning player and play against bad players who don't 3bet you and put you into tough decisions then change that accordignly too.

[mondatoo]

Cheers Pads, off to sleep now but will take a proper look when I get up, appreciate it.

[outragous76]

lol at your i poker software scoring pads

im sorry but there is no way it is even worse than entraction let alone 3/10

I managed 4 games on entraction before uninstalling - just unplayable

[MC]

Clearly Stars software should be 10/10, not that it makes much difference to your scores.

[pleno1]

Clearly Stars software should be 10/10, not that it makes much difference to your scores.

They make improvements every month.

• 10/10 is perfection

[ ] Making improvements means it is currently perfect.

Also guy, I 6-9 table on entraction and its fine/really good. When did you last try it?

[MC]

Clearly Stars software should be 10/10, not that it makes much difference to your scores.

They make improvements every month.

• 10/10 is perfection

[ ] Making improvements means it is currently perfect.

Also guy, I 6-9 table on entraction and its fine/really good. When did you last try it?

Ok, fair enough, but

[  ] if Stars is 8 then Entraction is 7

[pleno1]

point taken. i guess id move stars up one and entraction down.

i did it hurridly at work. took 10 mins or so when I chewed on my cornflakes.

no love for the colours?

[MC]

point taken. i guess id move stars up one and entraction down.

i did it hurridly at work. took 10 mins or so when I chewed on my cornflakes.

no love for the colours?

Hehe, yeah sorry, it was good effort

[Rupert]

The standard of opposition when I play cash games is always 10/10.  If it isn't, then you aren't putting enough time into game selecting.  Saying ongames software is better than ipoker for cash games is absurd when there are no waiting lists.  Your player liquidity is just straight up wrong and can be verified by pokerscout.  None of the other considerations are applicable in mondys case fortunately but I agree it is a good thing to be aware of.

[cambridgealex]

The lengths BITB will go to to make sure you pm him for rakeback deals on entraction/microgaming is commendable.