Weekend Footie

[Maxriddles]

Here's a sample of this season's 'honest mistakes' courtesy of someone with a lot more time on their hands than me, who listens to Real Radio.

http://www.realradio-scotland.co.uk/presenters-shows/shows-xcyr/real-football-phonein-qlug/football-phonein-listener-keiths-email/he7pjagk/

Note the various direct quotes from opposition managers admitting they got favourable decisions against Celtic.

Contrast with Craig Levein. 'It's all about Rangers'

There are examples of bad decisions in every game, real radio listener Keith is looking only for ones that prove what he is trying to prove, therefore that is all he finds. Simples.

[henrik777]

Here's a sample of this season's 'honest mistakes' courtesy of someone with a lot more time on their hands than me, who listens to Real Radio.

http://www.realradio-scotland.co.uk/presenters-shows/shows-xcyr/real-football-phonein-qlug/football-phonein-listener-keiths-email/he7pjagk/

Note the various direct quotes from opposition managers admitting they got favourable decisions against Celtic.

Craig Levein. ""I've spoken to Darren about it and he said he was really disappointed he never held it. "

Fyp

Sandy

[BigArmo]

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[Teacake]

The worst refereeing decisions I saw today were at Wembley but having resisted commenting on the Celtic refereeing thing all week I can resist no longer. There is no conspiracy...FACT!! Refereeing decisions are like bad beats with Celtic, they only remember the ones that go against then, forgetting all about the many times they have benefited. They have been on the wrong end of a couple in the OF games this season. no doubt about it, but in recent times they have benefited from a few too, however we never hear too much about those ones.

As for todays game yes Brown's red card was harsh but he was one of two Celtic players very lucky not to have been booked at that stage, both he and N'Guemo (who did pick up a yellow late in the game) were racking up a similar number of unpunished fouls to Bougherra, who as pointed out was very lucky not to be red carded after picking up a yellow for his first tackle of the match. This referee who has allegedly robbed Celtic today was honest enough to quickly (& correctly) rule out the first goal Edu scored when he came on, not really something I'd expect of someone out to conspire against Celtic. He then denied Rangers what ex-Celtic winger Davie Provan described as a stone wall penalty, again not really the actions of an anti Celtic conspirator. With the Brown incident it is likely to have looked like a head but to the chest from the refs viewpoint but yellow card each would have been the correct call IMO.

Who really cost Celtic the game today? Dougie McDonald? I don't think so, I think the following are far more culpable, McGeady, Keane, Kamara, Fortune, Brown, Braafheid, and Mowbray!!

Max you don't even make a decent arguement here. By your logic because the ref correctly ruled a goal out then we should be grateful. wtf!!!
You admit Brown shouldn't have been sent off and that Bougherra should. Fortune is booked for deliberate handball yet Miller does the same, goes down looking for a penalty and isn't booked. Papac nearly halves Kamara in 2 and isn't booked. The only penalty claim I can remember is when O'Dea clearly takes the ball.

I don't expect you to agree but at least put forward a decent case.

[Snowball]

The worst refereeing decisions I saw today were at Wembley but having resisted commenting on the Celtic refereeing thing all week I can resist no longer. There is no conspiracy...FACT!! Refereeing decisions are like bad beats with Celtic, they only remember the ones that go against then, forgetting all about the many times they have benefited. They have been on the wrong end of a couple in the OF games this season. no doubt about it, but in recent times they have benefited from a few too, however we never hear too much about those ones.

As for todays game yes Brown's red card was harsh but he was one of two Celtic players very lucky not to have been booked at that stage, both he and N'Guemo (who did pick up a yellow late in the game) were racking up a similar number of unpunished fouls to Bougherra, who as pointed out was very lucky not to be red carded after picking up a yellow for his first tackle of the match. This referee who has allegedly robbed Celtic today was honest enough to quickly (& correctly) rule out the first goal Edu scored when he came on, not really something I'd expect of someone out to conspire against Celtic. He then denied Rangers what ex-Celtic winger Davie Provan described as a stone wall penalty, again not really the actions of an anti Celtic conspirator. With the Brown incident it is likely to have looked like a head but to the chest from the refs viewpoint but yellow card each would have been the correct call IMO.

Who really cost Celtic the game today? Dougie McDonald? I don't think so, I think the following are far more culpable, McGeady, Keane, Kamara, Fortune, Brown, Braafheid, and Mowbray!!

Max you don't even make a decent arguement here. By your logic because the ref correctly ruled a goal out then we should be grateful. wtf!!!
You admit Brown shouldn't have been sent off and that Bougherra should. Fortune is booked for deliberate handball yet Miller does the same, goes down looking for a penalty and isn't booked. Papac nearly halves Kamara in 2 and isn't booked. The only penalty claim I can remember is when O'Dea clearly takes the ball.

I don't expect you to agree but at least put forward a decent case.

Not mention when Kamara gotbrought down in the Box in the first half although we only seen one replay of that compared to the 7 when Hinkel and Edu collided.

[Maxriddles]

The worst refereeing decisions I saw today were at Wembley but having resisted commenting on the Celtic refereeing thing all week I can resist no longer. There is no conspiracy...FACT!! Refereeing decisions are like bad beats with Celtic, they only remember the ones that go against then, forgetting all about the many times they have benefited. They have been on the wrong end of a couple in the OF games this season. no doubt about it, but in recent times they have benefited from a few too, however we never hear too much about those ones.

As for todays game yes Brown's red card was harsh but he was one of two Celtic players very lucky not to have been booked at that stage, both he and N'Guemo (who did pick up a yellow late in the game) were racking up a similar number of unpunished fouls to Bougherra, who as pointed out was very lucky not to be red carded after picking up a yellow for his first tackle of the match. This referee who has allegedly robbed Celtic today was honest enough to quickly (& correctly) rule out the first goal Edu scored when he came on, not really something I'd expect of someone out to conspire against Celtic. He then denied Rangers what ex-Celtic winger Davie Provan described as a stone wall penalty, again not really the actions of an anti Celtic conspirator. With the Brown incident it is likely to have looked like a head but to the chest from the refs viewpoint but yellow card each would have been the correct call IMO.

Who really cost Celtic the game today? Dougie McDonald? I don't think so, I think the following are far more culpable, McGeady, Keane, Kamara, Fortune, Brown, Braafheid, and Mowbray!!

Max you don't even make a decent arguement here. By your logic because the ref correctly ruled a goal out then we should be grateful. wtf!!!
You admit Brown shouldn't have been sent off and that Bougherra should. Fortune is booked for deliberate handball yet Miller does the same, goes down looking for a penalty and isn't booked. Papac nearly halves Kamara in 2 and isn't booked. The only penalty claim I can remember is when O'Dea clearly takes the ball.

I don't expect you to agree but at least put forward a decent case.

I don't recall suggesting anywhere that Celtic should be grateful for correct decisions. The key point I have tried to put forward is that there is no anti Celtic bias from referees in Scotland. There never has been. I also believe there is a lot of selective memory is employed by Celtic fans when it comes to refereeing decisions. However hell will freeze over before some Celtic fans agree that they receive the same treatment as everyone else.

[Teacake]

The worst refereeing decisions I saw today were at Wembley but having resisted commenting on the Celtic refereeing thing all week I can resist no longer. There is no conspiracy...FACT!! Refereeing decisions are like bad beats with Celtic, they only remember the ones that go against then, forgetting all about the many times they have benefited. They have been on the wrong end of a couple in the OF games this season. no doubt about it, but in recent times they have benefited from a few too, however we never hear too much about those ones.

As for todays game yes Brown's red card was harsh but he was one of two Celtic players very lucky not to have been booked at that stage, both he and N'Guemo (who did pick up a yellow late in the game) were racking up a similar number of unpunished fouls to Bougherra, who as pointed out was very lucky not to be red carded after picking up a yellow for his first tackle of the match. This referee who has allegedly robbed Celtic today was honest enough to quickly (& correctly) rule out the first goal Edu scored when he came on, not really something I'd expect of someone out to conspire against Celtic. He then denied Rangers what ex-Celtic winger Davie Provan described as a stone wall penalty, again not really the actions of an anti Celtic conspirator. With the Brown incident it is likely to have looked like a head but to the chest from the refs viewpoint but yellow card each would have been the correct call IMO.

Who really cost Celtic the game today? Dougie McDonald? I don't think so, I think the following are far more culpable, McGeady, Keane, Kamara, Fortune, Brown, Braafheid, and Mowbray!!

Max you don't even make a decent arguement here. By your logic because the ref correctly ruled a goal out then we should be grateful. wtf!!!
You admit Brown shouldn't have been sent off and that Bougherra should. Fortune is booked for deliberate handball yet Miller does the same, goes down looking for a penalty and isn't booked. Papac nearly halves Kamara in 2 and isn't booked. The only penalty claim I can remember is when O'Dea clearly takes the ball.

I don't expect you to agree but at least put forward a decent case.

I don't recall suggesting anywhere that Celtic should be grateful for correct decisions. The key point I have tried to put forward is that there is no anti Celtic bias from referees in Scotland. There never has been. I also believe there is a lot of selective memory is employed by Celtic fans when it comes to refereeing decisions. However hell will freeze over before some Celtic fans agree that they receive the same treatment as everyone else.

Because we don't, we are supposed to shut up and take it. As soon as you challenge it you are paranoid, if you document it you are tragic  apparently. Rangers are the establishment club, always have been always will be, we just need to be much better than them to overcome it.

[Snowball]

The worst refereeing decisions I saw today were at Wembley but having resisted commenting on the Celtic refereeing thing all week I can resist no longer. There is no conspiracy...FACT!! Refereeing decisions are like bad beats with Celtic, they only remember the ones that go against then, forgetting all about the many times they have benefited. They have been on the wrong end of a couple in the OF games this season. no doubt about it, but in recent times they have benefited from a few too, however we never hear too much about those ones.

As for todays game yes Brown's red card was harsh but he was one of two Celtic players very lucky not to have been booked at that stage, both he and N'Guemo (who did pick up a yellow late in the game) were racking up a similar number of unpunished fouls to Bougherra, who as pointed out was very lucky not to be red carded after picking up a yellow for his first tackle of the match. This referee who has allegedly robbed Celtic today was honest enough to quickly (& correctly) rule out the first goal Edu scored when he came on, not really something I'd expect of someone out to conspire against Celtic. He then denied Rangers what ex-Celtic winger Davie Provan described as a stone wall penalty, again not really the actions of an anti Celtic conspirator. With the Brown incident it is likely to have looked like a head but to the chest from the refs viewpoint but yellow card each would have been the correct call IMO.

Who really cost Celtic the game today? Dougie McDonald? I don't think so, I think the following are far more culpable, McGeady, Keane, Kamara, Fortune, Brown, Braafheid, and Mowbray!!

Max you don't even make a decent arguement here. By your logic because the ref correctly ruled a goal out then we should be grateful. wtf!!!
You admit Brown shouldn't have been sent off and that Bougherra should. Fortune is booked for deliberate handball yet Miller does the same, goes down looking for a penalty and isn't booked. Papac nearly halves Kamara in 2 and isn't booked. The only penalty claim I can remember is when O'Dea clearly takes the ball.

I don't expect you to agree but at least put forward a decent case.

I don't recall suggesting anywhere that Celtic should be grateful for correct decisions. The key point I have tried to put forward is that there is no anti Celtic bias from referees in Scotland. There never has been. I also believe there is a lot of selective memory is employed by Celtic fans when it comes to refereeing decisions. However hell will freeze over before some Celtic fans agree that they receive the same treatment as everyone else.

Your arguement is pathetic to be honest, you can't even back it up when asked to and have been made to look pretty silly.

[Maxriddles]

The worst refereeing decisions I saw today were at Wembley but having resisted commenting on the Celtic refereeing thing all week I can resist no longer. There is no conspiracy...FACT!! Refereeing decisions are like bad beats with Celtic, they only remember the ones that go against then, forgetting all about the many times they have benefited. They have been on the wrong end of a couple in the OF games this season. no doubt about it, but in recent times they have benefited from a few too, however we never hear too much about those ones.

As for todays game yes Brown's red card was harsh but he was one of two Celtic players very lucky not to have been booked at that stage, both he and N'Guemo (who did pick up a yellow late in the game) were racking up a similar number of unpunished fouls to Bougherra, who as pointed out was very lucky not to be red carded after picking up a yellow for his first tackle of the match. This referee who has allegedly robbed Celtic today was honest enough to quickly (& correctly) rule out the first goal Edu scored when he came on, not really something I'd expect of someone out to conspire against Celtic. He then denied Rangers what ex-Celtic winger Davie Provan described as a stone wall penalty, again not really the actions of an anti Celtic conspirator. With the Brown incident it is likely to have looked like a head but to the chest from the refs viewpoint but yellow card each would have been the correct call IMO.

Who really cost Celtic the game today? Dougie McDonald? I don't think so, I think the following are far more culpable, McGeady, Keane, Kamara, Fortune, Brown, Braafheid, and Mowbray!!

Max you don't even make a decent arguement here. By your logic because the ref correctly ruled a goal out then we should be grateful. wtf!!!
You admit Brown shouldn't have been sent off and that Bougherra should. Fortune is booked for deliberate handball yet Miller does the same, goes down looking for a penalty and isn't booked. Papac nearly halves Kamara in 2 and isn't booked. The only penalty claim I can remember is when O'Dea clearly takes the ball.

I don't expect you to agree but at least put forward a decent case.

I don't recall suggesting anywhere that Celtic should be grateful for correct decisions. The key point I have tried to put forward is that there is no anti Celtic bias from referees in Scotland. There never has been. I also believe there is a lot of selective memory is employed by Celtic fans when it comes to refereeing decisions. However hell will freeze over before some Celtic fans agree that they receive the same treatment as everyone else.

Your arguement is pathetic to be honest, you can't even back it up when asked to and have been made to look pretty silly.

 

Yes, I must be stark raving not to believe there is some great conspiracy by Scottish referees against Celtic.   

[Woodsey]

These Rangers/Celtic discussions are a bit like this really...........

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QjDy8fYJcuw

[Div]

Here's a sample of this season's 'honest mistakes' courtesy of someone with a lot more time on their hands than me, who listens to Real Radio.

http://www.realradio-scotland.co.uk/presenters-shows/shows-xcyr/real-football-phonein-qlug/football-phonein-listener-keiths-email/he7pjagk/

Note the various direct quotes from opposition managers admitting they got favourable decisions against Celtic.

Contrast with Craig Levein. 'It's all about Rangers'

There are examples of bad decisions in every game, real radio listener Keith is looking only for ones that prove what he is trying to prove, therefore that is all he finds. Simples.

 

http://vimeo.com/9865326

[Maxriddles]

Here's a sample of this season's 'honest mistakes' courtesy of someone with a lot more time on their hands than me, who listens to Real Radio.

http://www.realradio-scotland.co.uk/presenters-shows/shows-xcyr/real-football-phonein-qlug/football-phonein-listener-keiths-email/he7pjagk/

Note the various direct quotes from opposition managers admitting they got favourable decisions against Celtic.

Contrast with Craig Levein. 'It's all about Rangers'

There are examples of bad decisions in every game, real radio listener Keith is looking only for ones that prove what he is trying to prove, therefore that is all he finds. Simples.

 

http://vimeo.com/9865326

Yip, can see where  they are coming from but another rather one sided viewpoint of the decisions in the game.

Bougherra's first booking was ridic, second was worth a booking and persistant fouling should have got him a second although Robbie Keane doesn't need a lot of encouragement to go down. The Kamara ones happen all the time with defenders and no way the ref would have seen them from his angle in real time. If McDonald booked Bougherra's second challenge rather than ridic decision to book his first 2 mins in then I don't believe there would be half the controversy here was over him staying on the park. There are a few tic players that have had the same luck in a other OF games, particularly Calderwood in the past, N'Guemo was pretty fortunate not to collect two bookings on Sunday and a case could be made to say the same for Fortune.

The no booking for Papac is a strange one even though there was no intent, I actually thought he had been booked until it was mentioned on this thread.

Not sure about the Kenny Miller one, looks like a ropey forwards challenge to me, would give him the benefit of the doubt that there was no intent (unless he wore the hoops  ).

I doubt we will ever agree on this one but there is a solution that I would hope we could agree on and that is for the SFA to allow referees to explain their decisions retrospectively, at the moment I believe this only happens when there is an appeal but this sort of transparency should kill conspiracy theories once and for all.

[Div]

The no booking for Papac is a strange one even though there was no intent, I actually thought he had been booked until it was mentioned on this thread.

Not sure about the Kenny Miller one, looks like a ropey forwards challenge to me, would give him the benefit of the doubt that there was no intent (unless he wore the hoops   ).

I doubt we will ever agree on this one but there is a solution that I would hope we could agree on and that is for the SFA to allow referees to explain their decisions retrospectively, at the moment I believe this only happens when there is an appeal but this sort of transparency should kill conspiracy theories once and for all.

Intent is irrelevant.

"A tackle that endangers the safety of an opponent must be sanctioned
as serious foul play.

Any player who lunges at an opponent in challenging for the ball from
the front, from the side or from behind using one or both legs, with
excessive force and endangering the safety of an opponent is guilty
of serious foul play.

Advantage should not be applied in situations involving serious foul
play unless there is a clear subsequent opportunity to score a goal.
The referee shall send off the player guilty of serious foul play when
the ball is next out of play."

As for referees explaining decisions retrospectively. They used to do that on The Whistleblower website. But they stopped after one season.

I might be able to claim partial credit/blame for this, after I got Donald McVicar to admit that a ref had awarded a penalty against Celtic for obstruction/impeding  

http://pokerdiv.blogspot.com/2006/02/donald-mcvicar-whistleblower-and-me.html

[Maxriddles]

The no booking for Papac is a strange one even though there was no intent, I actually thought he had been booked until it was mentioned on this thread.

Not sure about the Kenny Miller one, looks like a ropey forwards challenge to me, would give him the benefit of the doubt that there was no intent (unless he wore the hoops   ).

I doubt we will ever agree on this one but there is a solution that I would hope we could agree on and that is for the SFA to allow referees to explain their decisions retrospectively, at the moment I believe this only happens when there is an appeal but this sort of transparency should kill conspiracy theories once and for all.

Intent is irrelevant.

"A tackle that endangers the safety of an opponent must be sanctioned
as serious foul play.

Any player who lunges at an opponent in challenging for the ball from
the front, from the side or from behind using one or both legs, with
excessive force and endangering the safety of an opponent is guilty
of serious foul play.

Advantage should not be applied in situations involving serious foul
play unless there is a clear subsequent opportunity to score a goal.
The referee shall send off the player guilty of serious foul play when
the ball is next out of play."

As for referees explaining decisions retrospectively. They used to do that on The Whistleblower website. But they stopped after one season.

I might be able to claim partial credit/blame for this, after I got Donald McVicar to admit that a ref had awarded a penalty against Celtic for obstruction/impeding  

http://pokerdiv.blogspot.com/2006/02/donald-mcvicar-whistleblower-and-me.html

I think you've posted this link before but it is quality.    I would give him far more credit for holding his hands up and saying he'd got it wrong.  I really can't believe any Scottish sports journalist worth his salt wouldn't follow it up though, must've been trying to keep them sweet at SFA headquarters.

Referees really should have the opportunity to explain decisions though and if they get it wrong often enough they should be subject to suspensions in the same way a player is when he collects too many bookings.

[Teacake]

Here's a sample of this season's 'honest mistakes' courtesy of someone with a lot more time on their hands than me, who listens to Real Radio.

http://www.realradio-scotland.co.uk/presenters-shows/shows-xcyr/real-football-phonein-qlug/football-phonein-listener-keiths-email/he7pjagk/

Note the various direct quotes from opposition managers admitting they got favourable decisions against Celtic.

Contrast with Craig Levein. 'It's all about Rangers'

There are examples of bad decisions in every game, real radio listener Keith is looking only for ones that prove what he is trying to prove, therefore that is all he finds. Simples.

 

http://vimeo.com/9865326

Yip, can see where  they are coming from but another rather one sided viewpoint of the decisions in the game.

Bougherra's first booking was ridic, second was worth a booking and persistant fouling should have got him a second although Robbie Keane doesn't need a lot of encouragement to go down. The Kamara ones happen all the time with defenders and no way the ref would have seen them from his angle in real time. If McDonald booked Bougherra's second challenge rather than ridic decision to book his first 2 mins in then I don't believe there would be half the controversy here was over him staying on the park. There are a few tic players that have had the same luck in a other OF games, particularly Calderwood in the past, N'Guemo was pretty fortunate not to collect two bookings on Sunday and a case could be made to say the same for Fortune.

The no booking for Papac is a strange one even though there was no intent, I actually thought he had been booked until it was mentioned on this thread.

Not sure about the Kenny Miller one, looks like a ropey forwards challenge to me, would give him the benefit of the doubt that there was no intent (unless he wore the hoops  ).

I doubt we will ever agree on this one but there is a solution that I would hope we could agree on and that is for the SFA to allow referees to explain their decisions retrospectively, at the moment I believe this only happens when there is an appeal but this sort of transparency should kill conspiracy theories once and for all.

I know this is going nowhere but who is Calderwood and why was Fortune lucky to stay on? (genuine questions)