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[mikkyT]

Teacake, you're just trouble causing. Unfortunately I can't ignore the drivel spouting forth from your mouth. I said the only reason Celtic has a large following due to the Irish connection and the fact that Ireland has the biggest population of its nationals working abroad. I never mentioned biggotry other than to say that we shall leave biggotry out of this.

If I wanted to talk about bigotry then I would have, since it is the other reason people follow the old firm so vigorously.

What's the phrase about knowing a little about something is worse than knowing nothing? Seriously Mikky, if you really believe that you've got a sad sorry impression of things that sounds straight out of the media, the same media as Ironside's 'Old Firm = violence' stuff. I think at a quiet moment we need to have a wee chat, because I get on fine with you, but I really object to someone being daft enough to think that I support a team because of bigotry OR a team whose support is something caused by bigotry.

Another thread to be closed (not deleted). Bhoys, stay off it, I think the Bears will as well.

Rod, come stay near me. You'll see the reason that people support Rangers. They are talk from an early age that singing sectarian songs and to hate anything in green orange and white.

I can't vouch for Teacake, but Dave fully admits to sitting on forums - trouble causing. That is, using language like 'BHOY' in order to provoke a reaction from the rival 'football' fans.

The media don't know the half of it. I have first hand experience at least of Rangers fans. I would describe yourself as an intelligent chap who knows the real issues. . But the vast majority are mindless yobs partaking in idiot marches planned to go past all the areas where their rivals will be, in the name of something most of the world couldn't care less about.

[Heid]

C'mon guys Football is a crap game, bunch of overpaid arrogant pansies.

Not worth arguing over football.

Seconded.... no-one's getting anywhere, it's not nice, everyone is just restating their position and getting more heated about it.

I don't really give a fig about Scottish football, so I am impartial here, there's no motive apart from to stop you lot acting like kids and trying to get the last word in to make you feel like you have the upper hand.

STOP IT!

And if you can't stop it, take it to PM's and stop littering Blonde.

Luckily I don't care what you lot think of me, so it makes no odds if I have annoyed you by saying this, but someone had to .. and here I am.

Get over it, or take it private.

Heid
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[mikkyT]

I want to swear at Teacake, even if you don't want me to, because he is an idiot.

Mikky, he's not - but you have married into one side of the divide & are hearing one side - I've seen comments from you that I've objected to, but stayed away from because it wasn't the time or the place, and I thought you didn't know any better.

Take a chill pill, get rid of the inflamatory posts (including mine) and remember that we're all mouthy bastards and all things come across worse when typed than when said.

See you in Cincins and we'll talk about it sensibly & openly.

The only "DIVIDE" is the one that thinks the old firm is bad and the other who think its really great.

[Rod Paradise]

Ironsides, to be honest I care not a jot, i'm sick to the back teeth of other supporters making the accusations while their support still call me a <insert religious insult> (which I get everywhere in Scotland). I'm not willing to get into an argument about Scotland and sectarianism as this isn't the place ( & it's like teaching a pig to dance- dirty, smelly & it only annoys the pig  ). All I know is that if you delete things & pontificate about the evils of the 'Old Firm' I am going to strongly object - I've personally seen serious trouble at 3 games in scotland & 2 of those were Aberdeen & didn't involve the 'Old Firm'. I've also seen all kinds of fights break out between supporters of many different teams (including some fighting their own) - but anything near Glasgow is used by you guys as 'you Old Firm'.


Appolgies to ironsides - didn't notice he'd copied it to me to edit....

[Rod Paradise]

Teacake, you're just trouble causing. Unfortunately I can't ignore the drivel spouting forth from your mouth. I said the only reason Celtic has a large following due to the Irish connection and the fact that Ireland has the biggest population of its nationals working abroad. I never mentioned biggotry other than to say that we shall leave biggotry out of this.

If I wanted to talk about bigotry then I would have, since it is the other reason people follow the old firm so vigorously.

What's the phrase about knowing a little about something is worse than knowing nothing? Seriously Mikky, if you really believe that you've got a sad sorry impression of things that sounds straight out of the media, the same media as Ironside's 'Old Firm = violence' stuff. I think at a quiet moment we need to have a wee chat, because I get on fine with you, but I really object to someone being daft enough to think that I support a team because of bigotry OR a team whose support is something caused by bigotry.

Another thread to be closed (not deleted). Bhoys, stay off it, I think the Bears will as well.

Rod, come stay near me. You'll see the reason that people support Rangers. They are talk from an early age that singing sectarian songs and to hate anything in green orange and white.

I can't vouch for Teacake, but Dave fully admits to sitting on forums - trouble causing. That is, using language like 'BHOY' in order to provoke a reaction from the rival 'football' fans.

The media don't know the half of it. I have first hand experience at least of Rangers fans. I would describe yourself as an intelligent chap who knows the real issues. . But the vast majority are mindless yobs partaking in idiot marches planned to go past all the areas where their rivals will be, in the name of something most of the world couldn't care less about.

Mikky, your showing your own ignorance here, the word Bhoys is not inflamatory & there's nothing wrong with it. you are also projecting the bad things you know about one side onto the other, which is insulting. also if Dave & RFC can meet in Cincins and have a beer together there nothing wrong with either of them. Seriously mate, leave it, we'll meet in Cincins one night & go to a boozer for a pint & discuss it with you in a better realxed atmosphere.

[mikkyT]

If any of the above comments came out wrongly with emotion then I appologise, Ive edited it to say teacake is acting like an idiot instead of actually being an idiot, cause I know hes not...

You wont change my mind on the issue though Rod. You, Dave, Teacake and co. might be wearing rose tinted glasses when anyone mentions your team. Perhaps you have been brought up well, but take a trip to the slums of Glasgow and spend some time there. Better still, venture out into the sticks of Lanarkshire, where its like going back in time 30 years.

I am married into a family full of bigots. I know you don't want to be tarred with the "blue" brush, but the bigots on both sides are both the same.

[mikkyT]

Rod, you know yourself that that is rubbish. Enter a scotland chatroom with the name "xyz-bhoy" and what happens, the first rangers fan leaps on him with glee.

Vice versa, enter into a scotland chat room with the name "hun" and see what happens. Its like me walking into a Scottish pub with an England top on. It provokes a reaction. It might not be done deliberately, but thats what it does. And you would be very niaeve to think otherwise.

Its a volatile issue, but dont think for one second that just because you are mature enough to discuss it in an adult fashion, that anyone else is. You only have to listen to the real radio football phone in to realise this.

It takes two to tango. You can't blame the rangers bigots without blaming the Celtic ones too.

[mikkyT]

Yup, will do. Sounds like a good plan Rod - I know you all and I know your intelligent people. But when things like this arise, even the most pleasant chaps seem to "devolve".

[thetank]

I abhor football violence and biggotory in all it's manifestations. Gentle ribbing between say England and Scottish fans or Rangers and Celtic fans can be a good laugh. Unfortunately there is a fine line and it is very easy to overstep the mark, or at least be percieved as overstepping the mark, which is pretty much the same thing.

The greatest problem with the written word is that you can't express tone and so it is very easy for something to be taken outwith the spirit in which it was intended. Although some comments on this thread were not meant to cause offence, the fact remains that they have done so. Those that have made them should try to refrain from continuing to do so. You guys will meet in person like Rod said, and can discuss it then.

[mikkyT]

You're right tank.

But I've seen people almost killed because of the "light ribbing". My views may seem ignorant to those fortunate enough not to have to witness such things. But when you have been at the brunt of such violence because of your accent or because of the team you support, you'll realise its not a laughing matter.

Idiots exist in all walks of life. But they seem to populate certain areas more than others. There is a fine line between someone calling me an English bastard and me laughing, and someone calling me an English bastard and me fearing for my life. I know thats not a celtic/rangers issue but the fact that I support liverpool makes me a target for rangers fans also.

[Rod Paradise]

mikky, how would a guy with a Man U top get on in Liverpool?

[mikkyT]

There would be no problem.

You dont see signs saying "No football colours" in manchester OR liverpool. But you see them all around glasgow.

You dont hear of liverpool fans going over to manchester to fight for their cause.

[Nem]

I don't think you can compare Man U vs Liverpool in he same breath as Celtic and Rangers due to the religious connection.

[mikkyT]

But since Rod has experience of being in Liverpool he will know that many scousers resent mancs.

Its not a football issue, its an issue akin to glasgow and edinburgh where one is seen as the golden city and the other is seen as a city of thieves.

I'm done with this thread, I think I've made myself as clear as I am ever going to be able to do lol. It would be nice to sit down over a drink. This issue isn't going to go away soon. I'd rather talk face to face and perhaps I'd feel more comfortable explaining how this issue has effected me personally.

[Colchester Kev]

Look guys, this thread has gotten seriously heated and out of hand, we have asked for an end to it, but obviously you dont seem able to let it drop.   ENOUGH IS ENOUGH.   Its time to just accept that everyone has strong held beliefs and opinions on the subject, and that we will never reach agreement. For the last time, can we make this the last post in this thread and get back to what this forum is all about ...Tolerance, Friendliness and community.