Truth of the Lie - Madeleine McCann Banned Book

[StuartHopkin]

You really think the parents had something to do way this?

Can i ask why?

The way they acted on the telly, and the whole story just made me think they must have had something to do with it.

The book in no uncertain terms says that she died in the apartment, and there was a credible witness who saw Gerry McCann carrying the body away after the reported her missing.

I wondered if anyone could discredit the book or the officers story. The way it reads he sounds like most honest genuine bloke, but then off course it does.

I dont understand how the top Portugese police in charge could be so sure its them and then nothing done about it.

I must be missing something.

all the facts, perhaps?

Thats what I'm after, any facts on the other side of this.

Obviously the guy could just be out to make money, but the statements in his book are very clear cut and could be easily disproved if they were lies.

[Woodsey]

This is going to be a long thread, I find it hard to believe they had anything to do with it, their own daughter ffs..........

As if that matters to a murderer.

You think if Richard Ramirez, Ted Bundy, Ed Gein, Jeff Dahmer etc. had had kids they couldn't have done them any harm?

I'm not trying to compare the McCann parents to these mercilous serial killers btw just saying that the "she was their own daughter" thing doesn't mean anything.

If they're killers they're killers and their victims could be anyone.

Yes I think it does matter. You honesty think they deliberately set out to murder their own daughter? I could as an outside option I could accept Stu's option, but there is no chance it was deliberate. I probs won't post on here again, seems a bit wrong..............

[EvilPie]

This is going to be a long thread, I find it hard to believe they had anything to do with it, their own daughter ffs..........

As if that matters to a murderer.

You think if Richard Ramirez, Ted Bundy, Ed Gein, Jeff Dahmer etc. had had kids they couldn't have done them any harm?

I'm not trying to compare the McCann parents to these mercilous serial killers btw just saying that the "she was their own daughter" thing doesn't mean anything.

If they're killers they're killers and their victims could be anyone.

Yes I think it does matter. You honesty think they deliberately set out to murder their own daughter? I could as an outside option I could accept Stu's option, but there is no chance it was deliberate. I probs won't post on here again, seems a bit wrong..............

I have no opinions on the case whatsoever and won't post anything saying that I think they did or didn't do it.

All I was saying was that if they are killers the fact that she's their daughter means nothing.

In every case one would initially assume that the parents weren't the killers. It's natural to assume that because it isn't common.

However, if they are killers then there's no reason they wouldn't set out to kill their daughter. A victim is a victim to a killer.

Saying that you find it hard to believe they had anything to do with it based purely on the fact she was their daughter is a little naive in my opinion. There need to be facts associated with the case to remove the parents from suspicion.

Once again I know absolutely nothing about this case so I am not forming any opinion on who did it. I'm just saying that nobody, even the parents can be ruled out until there is evidence to definitively rule them out.

Thanks to the justice system everyone is (quite rightly) innocent until proven guilty but unless there is evidence to prove innocence then there is always a chance that they are guilty.

[George2Loose]

Being from Leicester the case was obviously massive news here. I also worked with a friend of the mother.

The one thing I've always thought is, if they are innocent, must make their plight so much worse knowing people think they did it and having to live probably never knowing what happened to their daughter

[EvilPie]

Being from Leicester the case was obviously massive news here. I also worked with a friend of the mother.

The one thing I've always thought is, if they are innocent, must make their plight so much worse knowing people think they did it and having to live probably never knowing what happened to their daughter

The flip side of that is if they are guilty they must feel much better knowing that people can't prove that they did it and they get to live being the only ones who will ever know what happened.

Again I must stress that I'm not saying I think they're guilty or innocent. I genuinely have no opinion either way on this and I'm not copping out I just have no idea.

This is probably one of those cases where the only people/person who will ever truly know what happened is whoever did it.

[MANTIS01]

If they were guilty, and as you say nobody could prove it, I reckon the last 3 years hunting the globe, private investigators, international campaigns, web-sites, court cases etc...would be a thoroughly ridiculous charade. Even crazy child-killlers would have called a halt to the sham by now. Probably desperate innocent parents with an ounce of hope would be the only people still looking. Proof enough imo.

[Bongo]

If they were guilty, and as you say nobody could prove it, I reckon the last 3 years hunting the globe, private investigators, international campaigns, web-sites, court cases etc...would be a thoroughly ridiculous charade. Even crazy child-killlers would have called a halt to the sham by now. Probably desperate innocent parents with an ounce of hope would be the only people still looking. Proof enough imo.

Or people desperate to stay out of jail/go down in history as monsters etc etc.

I don't have an opinion on what happened but it seems to me that if they were involved then you can't really fathom out their motives, their emotions, how they would act.

[MANTIS01]

If they were guilty, and as you say nobody could prove it, I reckon the last 3 years hunting the globe, private investigators, international campaigns, web-sites, court cases etc...would be a thoroughly ridiculous charade. Even crazy child-killlers would have called a halt to the sham by now. Probably desperate innocent parents with an ounce of hope would be the only people still looking. Proof enough imo.

Or people desperate to stay out of jail/go down in history as monsters etc etc.

I don't have an opinion on what happened but it seems to me that if they were involved then you can't really fathom out their motives, their emotions, how they would act.

I have an opinion on what happened. I reckon their daughter got snatched on holiday. The theory that during a weeks self-catering in Portugal the parents snuffed out one of their kids, covered it up, and then spent the next 3 years searching the world is a lunatic theory. If somebody came up to you in the bookies and tipped a 200/1 shot you'd think that person was feckin mad, yet the monster parent lunatic theory is like a 20,000,000/1 shot and people are like hmmm...

[GreekStein]

One of the best ways to find out about killers/people who had something to do with the murder is from when behavioural specialists study how they act under the spotlight. These two have both been under plenty and nothing has been said.

I'll read it just to see what the guy has to say, but it makes me a little uneasy that someone has written a book pointing things in the direction of two parents who have just lost their daughter.

[Longy]

If they were guilty, and as you say nobody could prove it, I reckon the last 3 years hunting the globe, private investigators, international campaigns, web-sites, court cases etc...would be a thoroughly ridiculous charade. Even crazy child-killlers would have called a halt to the sham by now. Probably desperate innocent parents with an ounce of hope would be the only people still looking. Proof enough imo.

Or people desperate to stay out of jail/go down in history as monsters etc etc.

I don't have an opinion on what happened but it seems to me that if they were involved then you can't really fathom out their motives, their emotions, how they would act.

I have an opinion on what happened. I reckon their daughter got snatched on holiday. The theory that during a weeks self-catering in Portugal the parents snuffed out one of their kids, covered it up, and then spent the next 3 years searching the world is a lunatic theory. If somebody came up to you in the bookies and tipped a 200/1 shot you'd think that person was feckin mad, yet the monster parent lunatic theory is like a 20,000,000/1 shot and people are like hmmm...

Can have a pound at 20mill/1 on the lunatic theory plz?

[EvilPie]

If they were guilty, and as you say nobody could prove it, I reckon the last 3 years hunting the globe, private investigators, international campaigns, web-sites, court cases etc...would be a thoroughly ridiculous charade. Even crazy child-killlers would have called a halt to the sham by now. Probably desperate innocent parents with an ounce of hope would be the only people still looking. Proof enough imo.

Or people desperate to stay out of jail/go down in history as monsters etc etc.

I don't have an opinion on what happened but it seems to me that if they were involved then you can't really fathom out their motives, their emotions, how they would act.

I have an opinion on what happened. I reckon their daughter got snatched on holiday. The theory that during a weeks self-catering in Portugal the parents snuffed out one of their kids, covered it up, and then spent the next 3 years searching the world is a lunatic theory. If somebody came up to you in the bookies and tipped a 200/1 shot you'd think that person was feckin mad, yet the monster parent lunatic theory is like a 20,000,000/1 shot and people are like hmmm...

20,000,000/1 you say.

As far as I know there's only been one such incident in this country of 60,000,000 population in the last 3 years.

We must be about due one.

I'll have a pound as well please.

[kinboshi]

Can't be arsed to read it, but is this book saying they murdered her, or that they went out and effectively her death was caused by their neglect and they've tried to cover it up?

Slightly different things really, one's premeditated (i.e. murder) and the other is manslaughter (they didn't go out with the intention of killing anyone).

[ScottMGee]

Whilst I have not read the book it must be said that the arguments that the (a) parents killed her or (b) dumped the body to cover up neglect are both ridiculous.

(a)
1 - The parents hardly appear to be Fred and Rose West
2 - If this is the case and the detective has sufficient evidence to write the book how come the parents have not been charged.

(b)
1 - In the event of accidental death, surely a better option would have been to say nothing until morning and then claim it must have happened while you were sleeping.
2 - surely having your daughter supposedly kidnapped and presumed murdered whilst you have dinner is just as bad as her accidentally dying whilst you were having dinner.

As for the claim that "there was a credible witness who saw Gerry McCann carrying the body away after the reported her missing." hhmm I think you might hide the body before reporting her missing.

[MANTIS01]

Those people who want a £1 bet on the lunatic parent theory are like those old women who turn up in Hills on Grand National Day wanting 50p e/w on Charlie's Dream at 500/1 because they once knew somebody called Charlie.

I blame scummy Karen Matthews for all this.

[lazaroonie]

Those people who want a £1 bet on the lunatic parent theory are like those old women who turn up in Hills on Grand National Day wanting 50p e/w on Charlie's Dream at 500/1 because they once knew somebody called Charlie.

I blame scummy Karen Matthews for all this.

do you know which percentage of unlawful killings are carried out by someone known to the victim ?