Truth of the Lie - Madeleine McCann Banned Book

[MANTIS01]

Those people who want a £1 bet on the lunatic parent theory are like those old women who turn up in Hills on Grand National Day wanting 50p e/w on Charlie's Dream at 500/1 because they once knew somebody called Charlie.

I blame scummy Karen Matthews for all this.

Ever had a go on the lottery Mantis?

Still I suppose that's only 14,000,000 to 1 so it's a lot different.

Stick to PHA mate. At least you have a slim chance of putting together a sensible argument over there.

Your attempt at a sensible argument is playing the lottery is a good bet? Do you want a £1 double that 1. The parents killed the kid and 2. You'll be taking your seat on the plane to South Africa with the rest of the England squad having filled the vacant left-back spot?

[StuartHopkin]

Whilst I have not read the book it must be said that the arguments that the (a) parents killed her or (b) dumped the body to cover up neglect are both ridiculous.

(a)
1 - The parents hardly appear to be Fred and Rose West
2 - If this is the case and the detective has sufficient evidence to write the book how come the parents have not been charged.

(b)
1 - In the event of accidental death, surely a better option would have been to say nothing until morning and then claim it must have happened while you were sleeping.
2 - surely having your daughter supposedly kidnapped and presumed murdered whilst you have dinner is just as bad as her accidentally dying whilst you were having dinner.

As for the claim that "there was a credible witness who saw Gerry McCann carrying the body away after the reported her missing." hhmm I think you might hide the body before reporting her missing.

Im sure people who met the lovely Fred & Rose all thought 'Shit me, murderin mofo's ldo'

I dont think you would be thinking to well if you found your daughter dead after leaving her alone one night. I think covering up your negligence might pop into your head.

It only takes one lie to start the whole thing off doesnt it? Once that one thing has been said, how could they ever go back on it?

Fred in particular was known to Police for a long time, including for a complaint of kidnap. The Police dismissed it as him being a bit dim and 'the villiage idiot'
I don't think the McCanns killed their child, but wouldn't be surprised to find out that the girl either died or had a fatal accident whilst they were left alone in the apartment.
Saying that i'm pretty sure the Portugese Police were pretty incompetent and couldn't really give a fuck, like most tourist destinations.

What makes you say that?

[StuartHopkin]

Those people who want a £1 bet on the lunatic parent theory are like those old women who turn up in Hills on Grand National Day wanting 50p e/w on Charlie's Dream at 500/1 because they once knew somebody called Charlie.

I blame scummy Karen Matthews for all this.

Ever had a go on the lottery Mantis?

Still I suppose that's only 14,000,000 to 1 so it's a lot different.

Stick to PHA mate. At least you have a slim chance of putting together a sensible argument over there.

Your attempt at a sensible argument is playing the lottery is a good bet? Do you want a £1 double that 1. The parents killed the kid and 2. You'll be taking your seat on the plane to South Africa with the rest of the England squad having filled the vacant left-back spot?

Please be quiet

[MANTIS01]

The parents were responsible for 61% of murdered children in America. Maddie has parents. She disappeared. Thus she was murdered. Thus the parents did it. That's a sensible argument as well.

[thetank]

The general theme is that they enjoyed going out without the kids at night.
They came back one night and found her dead in the apartment and then attempted to cover up how negligent they had been.

So in the whole covering it up agenda, where's the margin in doing their damdest towhip up a worldwide media storm on an unprecedented scale?

You've wasted 5 hours of your life reading lunatic conspiracy theories imo. If you want to waste another 5,000 then they're certainly out there.

Short change on youtube, the whole 9/11 was an inside job is a good place to start if you get bored of the dead girl.

[StuartHopkin]

Please Mantis

I wanted an adult discussion about the book, what it implies and peoples thoughts on what happened.

Youve said that you dont think they had anything to do with it, fine, opinions are what I asked for.

Dont turn this thread into another Mantis vs The World thread.

In response to your line of thought above, I think it would be foolish to think that she is still alive. Either she died that evening, or was killed by the media frenzy. If you had kidnapped a kid and all of a sudden the whole world was looking for her what would you do.

No one has said she was definately murdered, definately kidnapped, definately had an accident. I dont think she was kidnapped due to the various things Ive heard and seen in the papers, media. There are things in that book that pretty much rule out that she was kidnapped. In my head that leaves the other two.

Im not stupid enough to believe everything I read or see on the television. Which is why I was looking forward to having a discussion on here. So far though people just seem to be using the preconceived perceptions of what people are like.

So in the hope of something constructive, would your opinion be the same if they were a pair of Chavs from a rough area of Liverpool?

[EvilPie]

The parents were responsible for 61% of murdered children in America. Maddie has parents. She disappeared. Thus she was murdered. Thus the parents did it. That's a sensible argument as well.

I have a feeling you're trying to disagree with me but you're just doing a very bad job of it.

I was saying that the fact they are her parents is irrelevant to this case and whether or not they are guilty.

Whether it's a gazillion to 1 or evens over the entire population is also irrelevant to this case.

If someone were to offer me 20,000,000 to 1 against them being the murderers in this particular case then I would definitely have a quid on it because anyone who thinks they are the true odds is just plain stupid.

The simple fact is that they either did it or they didn't. With no evidence to say that anybody else did it and also no evidence saying that they definitely didn't do it I think 20,000,000 to 1 is a damn good price.

[EvilPie]

Im not stupid enough to believe everything I read or see on the television.

I think you're selling yourself short there mate.

[StuartHopkin]

The general theme is that they enjoyed going out without the kids at night.
They came back one night and found her dead in the apartment and then attempted to cover up how negligent they had been.

So in the whole covering it up agenda, where's the margin in doing their damdest towhip up a worldwide media storm on an unprecedented scale?

You've wasted 5 hours of your life reading lunatic conspiracy theories imo. If you want to waste another 5,000 then they're certainly out there.

Short change on youtube, the whole 9/11 was an inside job is a good place to start if you get bored of the dead girl.

Once they started they couldnt stop?
They were 100% focused on making sure no one thought anything other than abduction.

I have no interest in 9/11 or conspiracy theories in general.

I do have an interest in a couple who I immediately felt were liars and an interesting case that seemed to disappear when they decided to return to England.

I realise Im very far on the side of they did it, but so far the only argument against them doing it on here is that it would be a 'lunatic' idea that they did.

Anyone harming their daughter or lying about it is absolute lunacy to me, that doesnt mean its never happened. There are many cases that make you sick to the stomach when you here them. Do you decide they cant have happened?

[thediceman]

The one thing I've always thought is, if they are innocent, must make their plight so much worse knowing people think they did it and having to live probably never knowing what happened to their daughter

 

[StuartHopkin]

Im not stupid enough to believe everything I read or see on the television.

I think you're selling yourself short there mate.

You can shhhhh aswell.

[StuartHopkin]

The one thing I've always thought is, if they are innocent, must make their plight so much worse knowing people think they did it and having to live probably never knowing what happened to their daughter

 

I completely agree with the above. If they had nothing to do with it then it must be horrible.
I do believe however that much of this speculation has been caused by their own actions.

[roscopiko]

Once they started they couldnt stop?
They were 100% focused on making sure no one thought anything other than abduction.

I have no interest in 9/11 or conspiracy theories in general.

I do have an interest in a couple who I immediately felt were liars and an interesting case that seemed to disappear when they decided to return to England.

I realise Im very far on the side of they did it, but so far the only argument against them doing it on here is that it would be a 'lunatic' idea that they did.

Anyone harming their daughter or lying about it is absolute lunacy to me, that doesnt mean its never happened. There are many cases that make you sick to the stomach when you here them. Do you decide they cant have happened?

Its amazing how many people seem to have had that reaction for whatever reason.

Sadly there seems to a mass of history behind the guy who wrote this book being dodgy as which must severely limit how much you can trust anything in it.  Added to the fact that by writing this book your pretty much guaranteed mega $$$$ especially if you make it nice and saucy for the reader.

[MANTIS01]

Please Mantis

I wanted an adult discussion about the book, what it implies and peoples thoughts on what happened.

Youve said that you dont think they had anything to do with it, fine, opinions are what I asked for.

Dont turn this thread into another Mantis vs The World thread.

In response to your line of thought above, I think it would be foolish to think that she is still alive. Either she died that evening, or was killed by the media frenzy. If you had kidnapped a kid and all of a sudden the whole world was looking for her what would you do.

No one has said she was definately murdered, definately kidnapped, definately had an accident. I dont think she was kidnapped due to the various things Ive heard and seen in the papers, media. There are things in that book that pretty much rule out that she was kidnapped. In my head that leaves the other two.

Im not stupid enough to believe everything I read or see on the television. Which is why I was looking forward to having a discussion on here. So far though people just seem to be using the preconceived perceptions of what people are like.

So in the hope of something constructive, would your opinion be the same if they were a pair of Chavs from a rough area of Liverpool?

Stu you can't raise a thoroughly ridiculous subject and ask for only the most sensible of debates about it. My frustration stems from your very contemplation of the idea. As poker players/gamblers we see favourable odds as somewhat of a religion yet you're advocating backing an incredible longshot here with pretty much no evidence to support the theory. On PHA if there was raise, 3-bet, 4-bet, 5-bet and then I advised jamming with 7-2 there would be a flaming frenzy, yet even jamming the 7-2 is a better bet % wise than the parents are guilty in this case. Also, I don't think people from Liverpool who wear burberry caps are any more or less likely to kill their children during family holidays abroad.

[thetank]

Once they started they couldnt stop?

lol

I do have an interest in a couple who I immediately felt were liars

lolol

There are many cases that make you sick to the stomach when you here them. Do you decide they cant have happened?

What I usually do is take one look at the victim and decide if I think they're telling the truth or not.