Truth of the Lie - Madeleine McCann Banned Book

[MANTIS01]

I would say that the motive for Gerry McCann to take a knackered fridge to the dump was to dispose of it. People take broken stuff to the dump all the time. Maybe the owner asked him to take it. Maybe he wanted to do something useful. I think speculation about the motive for dumping a bust fridge doesn't connect someone to responsibility for a killing.

So you're implying this is perfectly normal? Because it really isn't!

Yes people take stuff to dumps all the time, not usually things that aren't their own property and especially not when they are on holiday.

LOL @ the owner of the property asking him to do it.

If you don't think this is just a bit weird then you're off you're rocker.

P.s are you going to be at the blonde bash?

Whilst I don't think it's a common happening I don't think it's necessarily bizarre behaviour, and I don't think it proves somebody is dumping the body of their dead daughter at a Spanish rubbish tip. If you appreciate that the guy just had his daughter snatched why do you think his behaviour should be 100% regular and in line with normal holidaymakers? Would you act a bit weird and unusual if your daughter was kidnapped on holiday or would you continue 100% normal? If the fridge broke he would ask the owner for a new one and he may offer to dump it to give him something to do because all that waiting around was killing him. Are you more inclined to believe he went to the tip so he could dump his daughters body amongst all the dirty nappies and other rubbish?

[thetank]

Freezer maybe.

Only a complete noob hacks up their dead daughter and puts the bits in the fridge.

[Claw75]

I would say that the motive for Gerry McCann to take a knackered fridge to the dump was to dispose of it. People take broken stuff to the dump all the time. Maybe the owner asked him to take it. Maybe he wanted to do something useful. I think speculation about the motive for dumping a bust fridge doesn't connect someone to responsibility for a killing.

Yes people take stuff to dumps all the time, not usually things that aren't their own property and especially not when they are on holiday.

I've dumped knackered stuff that belongs to my landlord before and replaced it out of the rent money with his agreement. Easier than getting him over to do it. I don't imagine it's that unusual, especially if this was a long term let.

I hope Mantis is going to the blonde bash as he's a nice bloke and one I have time for.

[Josedinho]

The original holiday was for 1 week. I can't imagine he'd get a long term lease so soon afterwards as his daughter could have been found/returned any day.

[Acidmouse]

Any got cliffnotes for this thread?

I think the pigs over there are fuking truly awful and incompetent. For any of them to make money from the case is criminal itself. As for what happened to the kid, i ain't fussed tbh (not in a bad way, just its all been said before).

[GreekStein]

I would say that the motive for Gerry McCann to take a knackered fridge to the dump was to dispose of it. People take broken stuff to the dump all the time. Maybe the owner asked him to take it. Maybe he wanted to do something useful. I think speculation about the motive for dumping a bust fridge doesn't connect someone to responsibility for a killing.

Yes people take stuff to dumps all the time, not usually things that aren't their own property and especially not when they are on holiday.

I've dumped knackered stuff that belongs to my landlord before and replaced it out of the rent money with his agreement. Easier than getting him over to do it. I don't imagine it's that unusual, especially if this was a long term let.

I hope Mantis is going to the blonde bash as he's a nice bloke and one I have time for.

lol the only reason i was asking is cos we've had a lot of bad blood on the forum and i think it'd be good to meet in person.

My dad is a landlord in London and across about 15 years of renting out around 10-15 properties I've never once heard that any tennant took an item like a fridge/washing machine (certainly nothing bigger than say a microwave) and dumped it themselves. Maybe all his tenants have just been lazy.

I'm glad you have time for Mantis though Clare. He's probably jumping through hoops right at this moment.

Have a nice day

[Claw75]

I'm glad you have time for Mantis though Clare. He's probably jumping through hoops right at this moment.

what's that supposed to mean?  If you're implying he probably couldn't care less about what someone like me thinks then you may be right, but I happen to think the guy gets a lot of undue stick on here and does pretty to well not to bite back as a lot of others would, and thought it would be nice to show a bit of love.

I agree with you though - would be good if he could make it as you seem to clash a lot on the forum but are both decent blokes an would probably get on quite well if you met.

[trafficjam]

I have been following this thread and I, like Stuart, do get gut reactions about people.

When the girls Holly and Jessica from Soham went missing and saw the first interview with Ian Huntley I said to my husband 'he has something to do with it'. I knew straight away he was involved. However, when I saw the McCain's interview I thought they both seemed rather 'controlled'.

I have read parts of the book and the pieces I find rather disturbing, is how the parents treated their children on a 'family' holiday.  To me it seemed a holiday for them and not the children as such as they didn't seem to spend much time with their children and as they were both working parents, you would think that at a holiday time they would want to have more time them.

As soon as they arrive Maddie is placed in a play area for most of the time, they seemed to spend at least only  two hours a day with just the children.

They go out every evening leaving their children alone in a ground floor apartment with an unlocked patio door.

It was noted that Maddie often woke up in the late evening crying, surely this would make them more concerned, especially being in a strange place. I also believe she may have been given calpol or something if she woke up regularly.

I notice there is hardly any mention of the other friends they were staying with and results of their interviews with the police (unless I missed that in the book as I only skip read it). If as suggested, Gerry McCain did find Maddie dead, surely he could not have acted calmly in front of his friends when returning to the Tapas bar after looking in on the children.

It also seems strange that Gerry McCain used a key to open the apartment door when he know the french windows were unlocked and it was a more straightforward route to the apartment from the Tapas bar and why did he delete all his calls from his phone.

If he was covering up that Maddie had died, surely there would not be anywhere to hide the body in that short space of time before notifying the police.

My views are that yes the McCains were very neglectful in looking after the welfare of their children and feel very guilty about it, that is why they looked so controlled in their interviews, but think personally that their actions were being watched and the child was taken by a stranger, more likely by someone who was staying at the same holiday complex and had been watching the children.

I have not seen any mention of the police interviewing other holiday makers at the complex or about people who may have left that night or the next day!

Just my views.

[StuartHopkin]

Interesting post traffic jam, thanks for your thouhts.

I thought it strange to that they bundled the kids off every single day.

Obviously people may say Im not qualified to comment as I dont have children, however hopefully I will one day and under no circumstances would I ever holiday like this.

I was bought up that a family holiday was a family holiday. There may have been the odd times when a bit older my sister and I were aloud to go to the arcade etc alone, but the rest of the time was spent as a group of four. My parents would never have dreamt about leaving us in a playgroup.

Im sure this type of thing is more common these days, but I still dont think its right. Saying that I would except the argument that if I had a 4 year old and I was in Portugal, a days peace and quiet may appear to be a heavenly idea. Then again I suppose if I was at the end of my tether and I couldnt cope anymore I might bundle her off everyday. Well while Im at it I love a nice meal out and a drink, shall I drug my child to make sure she doesnt wake up while Im out?

Personally I think going on holiday and not wanting to spend any time with your 4 year old daughter is a 20,000,000-1 shot.
Oh hang on thats exactly what they did?

[roscopiko]

Just finished (skim) reading the whole thing now and personally while it was mildly interesting the whole thing just comes across as an attempted money spinner to me.  Theres very few facts backing up much of what hes saying and its padded out just for the sake of it repeating the same things over and over.

Did I just miss it in the book or was there no actual evidence the kids were sedated?  Was that just speculation?

Would be interesting to see some expert comments on the contents or some others views on what hes written though.  Still pretty much on the fence over what actually happened and guess we probably wont find out now.

[MANTIS01]

The reality is the McCanns say they never sedated their children and independent tests on the twins prove they were never sedated. It's easy to see how crazy conspiracy theorists who turn those facts into Maddie was "drugged" can then as a natural consequence place Gerry at the scene of the rubbish dump with his daughter stuffed inside a kitchen appliance.

[George2Loose]

Whether they were sedated or not leaving them alone is simply unacceptable. Anything could happen. What if one of the twins wakes up choking? They'd be dead by the time they even realised

[lazaroonie]

I would say that the motive for Gerry McCann to take a knackered fridge to the dump was to dispose of it. People take broken stuff to the dump all the time. Maybe the owner asked him to take it. Maybe he wanted to do something useful. I think speculation about the motive for dumping a bust fridge doesn't connect someone to responsibility for a killing.

So you're implying this is perfectly normal? Because it really isn't!

Yes people take stuff to dumps all the time, not usually things that aren't their own property and especially not when they are on holiday.

LOL @ the owner of the property asking him to do it.

If you don't think this is just a bit weird then you're off you're rocker.

P.s are you going to be at the blonde bash?

Whilst I don't think it's a common happening I don't think it's necessarily bizarre behaviour,

of course it is. there may be a reasonable explanation for it, but tht reason would need to be as equally  bizarre

[thediceman]

not for 1 min do i think the body was in the fridge, i think the body was at the dump and when garry went to dump the fridge he moved the body and thats how blood and hair as got in the back of the hire car

[sovietsong]

they did it

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