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« Reply #15 on: March 28, 2010, 09:30:36 PM »

From your post ruling is 100% correct and its a sigh that people dont see this.
how can that be... his cards have hit another player's dead cards... thus making his hand dead...

Why does that make his cards dead?
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« Reply #16 on: March 28, 2010, 09:49:16 PM »

From your post ruling is 100% correct and its a sigh that people dont see this.
how can that be... his cards have hit another player's dead cards... thus making his hand dead...

Why does that make his cards dead?

Because it's in the rules.

That said. The rules also allow discretion. I see no problem in this example with retrieving the hand, but personally I think it a bit dubious if we need to ask the other player what his hand was.
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« Reply #17 on: March 28, 2010, 11:44:18 PM »

From your post ruling is 100% correct and its a sigh that people dont see this.

Yep
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« Reply #18 on: March 28, 2010, 11:52:00 PM »

Think u got what u deserved tbh
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« Reply #19 on: March 28, 2010, 11:59:13 PM »

Yeah technically the hand's dead but do you really want to win the pot this way?

You know you're not calling so you've tried to find an angle to win his money. Seems a bit low to me.

I could maybe understand it if you had a decent hand that might possibly be winning but this is just plain wrong.
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« Reply #20 on: March 29, 2010, 12:04:46 AM »

From your post ruling is 100% correct and its a sigh that people dont see this.
how can that be... his cards have hit another player's dead cards... thus making his hand dead...

Why does that make his cards dead?

Because it's in the rules.

That said. The rules also allow discretion. I see no problem in this example with retrieving the hand, but personally I think it a bit dubious if we need to ask the other player what his hand was.

Might be dubious but op doesnt say this.

If villain honestly thought hero had mucked he has every right ro retrieve cards and win the pot.
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« Reply #21 on: March 29, 2010, 12:24:23 AM »

The whole game sounds like a shambles.

You were put on the clock? and called with K-high because the "principle of any two is good". Huh? Anyway I definitely think you should ask the casino for your buy-ins back, and don't take no shit when you're doing it either. Tell the casino manager what you think, no messin, then come back and tell us what he said.
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« Reply #22 on: March 29, 2010, 12:28:22 AM »

The whole game sounds like a shambles.

You were put on the clock? and called with K-high because the "principle of any two is good". Huh? Anyway I definitely think you should ask the casino for your buy-ins back, and don't take no shit when you're doing it either. Tell the casino manager what you think, no messin, then come back and tell us what he said.
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« Reply #23 on: March 29, 2010, 12:53:43 AM »

I was well aware my king high was no good at all stages of the hand , however the p.r.i.c.k. that i am sometimes i called knowing i'd be out.But this was in protestation that the ruling was out of order ( in my opinion).

Like cf says the rules allow for discretion , however in this instance surely there should be no exceptions. I was trying to exploit it but not in order to win the poor fellas chips , but to get acknowledgement that the ruling was wrong.

If i inadvertently muck my cards after announcing all in in a cash game , do you think the remaining players would allow me to sift through the mucked cards and allow me to select 2 cards to represent my all in? This is what in effect happened.

Surely once any cards has touched the muck they are dead no exceptions.This is the point i'm trying to get clarification on , i'm not certain but am confident that i may be right.
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« Reply #24 on: March 29, 2010, 01:02:33 AM »

I omitted the fact the fella had a nut straight.I put him something strong , but i couldn't even beat pocket 2 s.

The hand details are irrelevant though. Any chance of sifting through the muck in the GUKPT?
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« Reply #25 on: March 29, 2010, 01:19:54 AM »

I was well aware my king high was no good at all stages of the hand , however the p.r.i.c.k. that i am sometimes i called knowing i'd be out.But this was in protestation that the ruling was out of order ( in my opinion).

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Like cf says the rules allow for discretion , however in this instance surely there should be no exceptions. I was trying to exploit it but not in order to win the poor fellas chips , but to get acknowledgement that the ruling was wrong.

Um, we shouldn't make exceptions when someone is angle shooting to try and take down a pot?

If i inadvertently muck my cards after announcing all in in a cash game , do you think the remaining players would allow me to sift through the mucked cards and allow me to select 2 cards to represent my all in? This is what in effect happened.

Cash game? Tournament? Whatever, makes no difference. Each situation is different and will be ruled as such.

Surely once any cards has touched the muck they are dead no exceptions.This is the point i'm trying to get clarification on , i'm not certain but am confident that i may be right.

You're not.
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« Reply #26 on: March 29, 2010, 02:07:06 AM »

I look at my cards which were in full view in front of my chips and begin to think.

Before i make any action the big blind throws his cards over the action line face down and hitting the small blinds mucked cards in the process.

I omitted the fact the fella had a nut straight.I put him something strong , but i couldn't even beat pocket 2 s.

 
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« Reply #27 on: March 29, 2010, 02:23:09 AM »

i was thinking it was best not to instamuck to conceal the fact i floated with garbage.
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« Reply #28 on: March 29, 2010, 01:42:53 PM »

Lol thread continues to deliver.

Not 100% sure but im gonna go out on a limb and say that being all in and folding the nut straight was probs not the guys aim at the start of the hand.

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« Reply #29 on: March 29, 2010, 02:01:59 PM »

i was thinking it was best not to instamuck to conceal the fact i floated with garbage.

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