AK in the blinds - mid stages

[nirvana]

Glennda.  Shove.  Then sit there in disbelief as you can see the cogs whirring on the buttons face.  He knows hes beat. You know hes beat.  But you also know he is going into the tank until such times as he can convince himself that his A8 might actually be winning and make a god awful call.

You should try it, its great fun and very theraputic.

lol,

Been wondering about the whole shove thing which seems to be the main thought here but why are we shoving ? Do we abs want the call or are we trying to take whats there in an ideal world and if we get a call we're OK with it ?

[nirvana]

fk shove, 13.5

button flats and flop comes j x x

next move?

 

This is Alex fkn Martin we're talking bout here. That flop aint gonna happen and if it does he's smacking the banjo out of it on the turn and river

Anyway, nearly played it like Alex, re-popped to 15.5K

[EvilPie]

fk shove, 13.5

button flats and flop comes j x x

next move?

 

This is Alex fkn Martin we're talking bout here. That flop aint gonna happen and if it does he's smacking the banjo out of it on the turn and river

Anyway, nearly played it like Alex, re-popped to 15.5K

Shoving is weak but in most live comps I find it's just easier.

I've tried to go down the 3 bet line but it seems to go wrong more than it goes right. Perhaps I'm just remembering the times I've been screwed over by someone who "likes the look" of his 36s and calls my crai on the flop with bottom pair.

Yeah it's probably not optimal but it saves hurt if we miss and have to play a flop oop against an oppo who could have pretty much any two.

But realistically I agree that 3 bet to 14 or 15k is the best line. I just think we're going to struggle to play any flop that we miss because both of us have comitted so much of our stacks.

[Longy]

I doubt Alex is suggesting folding at any point post flop, just raising means villian will probably peel/shove with a wider range than if we shove. The drawbacks of raising are that villian may play fit/fold postflop (which is really bad obv but ppl do it all the time) and we lose getting the extra 20k or so in there we may have got if we had shoved.

I think it is pretty close between the 2 tbh and I would probably shove as it takes less effort and speeds the game up.

[nirvana]

Be interesting to hear Alex's view, are we raising because we want to induce a shove with the tourney status/stack sizes as described ?

[MANTIS01]

3betting creates a pot equal to your remaining stack so it makes you look ridiculously strong. Also your oppo will rightly figure the rest is going in after the flop anyway if he calls. So he knows he's playing for stacks whatever he does now. I really don't think his playing range widens if you 3bet either, in fact it prob tightens. You really don't need premium to be shoving over a button raise here and if villain has a genuine raising hand pushing can easily induce a hero call from his bigger stack, especially short-handed. Pushing means the hand's easier for you to play and gives you the best chance of a full double up.

[George2Loose]

3betting creates a pot equal to your remaining stack so it makes you look ridiculously strong. Also your oppo will rightly figure the rest is going in after the flop anyway if he calls. So he knows he's playing for stacks whatever he does now. I really don't think his playing range widens if you 3bet either, in fact it prob tightens. You really don't need premium to be shoving over a button raise here and if villain has a genuine raising hand pushing can easily induce a hero call from his bigger stack, especially short-handed. Pushing means the hand's easier for you to play and gives you the best chance of a full double up.

If this is a standard comp down your local your opponent will likely not think about any of the above if you standard 3 bet. He'll probably peel with J10 suited and stack off on any flop you hit. Prefer a three bet if you have QQ+ With AK just get it in pre

[MANTIS01]

3betting creates a pot equal to your remaining stack so it makes you look ridiculously strong. Also your oppo will rightly figure the rest is going in after the flop anyway if he calls. So he knows he's playing for stacks whatever he does now. I really don't think his playing range widens if you 3bet either, in fact it prob tightens. You really don't need premium to be shoving over a button raise here and if villain has a genuine raising hand pushing can easily induce a hero call from his bigger stack, especially short-handed. Pushing means the hand's easier for you to play and gives you the best chance of a full double up.

If this is a standard comp down your local your opponent will likely not think about any of the above if you standard 3 bet. He'll probably peel with J10 suited and stack off on any flop you hit. Prefer a three bet if you have QQ+ With AK just get it in pre

The fact you only 3bet here with the very cream of your range demonstrates just how strong the move looks. Also effects your range balancing. And even the most basic players grasp that calling the 3bet will put more chips in the middle than their oppo has left.

[George2Loose]

3betting creates a pot equal to your remaining stack so it makes you look ridiculously strong. Also your oppo will rightly figure the rest is going in after the flop anyway if he calls. So he knows he's playing for stacks whatever he does now. I really don't think his playing range widens if you 3bet either, in fact it prob tightens. You really don't need premium to be shoving over a button raise here and if villain has a genuine raising hand pushing can easily induce a hero call from his bigger stack, especially short-handed. Pushing means the hand's easier for you to play and gives you the best chance of a full double up.

If this is a standard comp down your local your opponent will likely not think about any of the above if you standard 3 bet. He'll probably peel with J10 suited and stack off on any flop you hit. Prefer a three bet if you have QQ+ With AK just get it in pre

The fact you only 3bet here with the very cream of your range demonstrates just how strong the move looks. Also effects your range balancing. And even the most basic players grasp that calling the 3bet will put more chips in the middle than their oppo has left.

Thsi makes sense. Your move looks strong so only 3 bet the cream of your range?

[George2Loose]

Or the shove looks weak and u get snapped by AJ

[AlexMartin]

shove looks strong and wont get called by worse/looks like AK and will get called by pairs more often. Im talking about this hand from your specific image glen, where a jam looks huge imo. We want villain to  bluff jam/jam with worse/peel light and let us win more when we jam the flop.

[George2Loose]

shove looks strong and wont get called by worse/looks like AK and will get called by pairs more often. Im talking about this hand from your specific image glen, where a jam looks huge imo. We want villain to  bluff jam/jam with worse/peel light and let us win more when we jam the flop.

Post flop you jamming any board?

[Kar l]

Min raise

[thetank]

Spot is ripe for a maneuveur called the go and go

3 bet to 15-20k ish and if called shove it in on any flop.

[Longy]

Spot is ripe for a maneuveur called the go and go

3 bet to 15-20k ish and if called shove it in on any flop.

Meh I would check a lot of flops we hit/smash, 2pr+ and dry ace/king high boards.