Man U - Bayern

[Hairydude]

without rooney we're about 100/1 with rooney about 25/1

I'll take £25 on either if your serious

whichever one happens i'll take

[Josedinho]

What i'm saying is we're too short. Why would i lay 25/1 when i know i can lay something around 5/1

[The Baron]

I'm worried as a United and England fan with Rooney starting tonight. Maybe he should have started from the bench even if he is fit

Yeah not getting this decision. Sends out an awful message to Berbatov too. Do you think he's done at Utd?

[The Baron]

Surely this is the proof that the "eeee pee ell" is no longer the strongest league in Europe. Not one English team could defend properly in the CL this season

[Longy]

Surely this is the proof that the "eeee pee ell" is no longer the strongest league in Europe. Not one English team could defend properly in the CL this season

So it is Spain then, who you would say have proved themselves defensively in this competition? For all their greatness going forward they are hardly rock solid at the back, Barcelona and how did the mighty Real Madrid fair in this competition.

Trying to make sweeping statements on one season of Champions league competion is doomed. The top 3 in the Premiership are still among the best 6 or 7 sides in Europe, the question has always been about strength in depth, where England actually have 2 teams in the final 8 of the Europa cup.

I have not changed my mind personally about the hierarchy in Europe being Spain> England>>>>>>>>> Italy>> Germany>>>>>>>>The Rest.

[sweet potata!]

Who is better Carrick or Djemba-Djemba?

Lol good question Carrick is completely brutal, the invisible man as  i refer to him as, he's always on but you never see him.

GTFO utd, even with the easy draw they couldnt get the job done, and Fergie is his usual charming gracious self , "typical germans" and all  this b.s just take  the defeat Sir Baconface Onetime plzzzzzz

[Teacake]

Who is better Carrick or Djemba-Djemba?

GTFO utd, even with the easy draw they couldnt get the job done, and Fergie is his usual charming gracious self , "typical germans" and all  this b.s just take  the defeat Sir Baconface Onetime plzzzzzz

Well said, Swalex doing his usual deflection job. For a great manager he talks some amount of bollox, hope he gets done for the typical Germans comment.

[Jamier-Host]

The top 3 in the Premiership are still among the best 6 or 7 sides in Europe, the question has always been about strength in depth, where England actually have 2 teams in the final 8 of the Europa cup.

I have not changed my mind personally about the hierarchy in Europe being Spain> England>>>>>>>>> Italy>> Germany>>>>>>>>The Rest.

It's not really an English league though is it.  Leaning towards an international league nowadays.

[dan]

It makes me laugh all the "England fans" being pissed off that Rooney started because it could ruin their world cup hopes. ManUtd pay his wages not England. If he's injured they still have to pay his wages so surely its up to Fergie to do whatever he sees best to win the game. International football pisses me off. Players go on international duty come back injured for a serious length of time, ie Van Persie and the clubs get nothing so why should the clubs not play their best players at crucial times of the season if that is what the managers think best

[mondatoo]

It makes me laugh all the "England fans" being pissed off that Rooney started because it could ruin their world cup hopes. ManUtd pay his wages not England. If he's injured they still have to pay his wages so surely its up to Fergie to do whatever he sees best to win the game. International football pisses me off. Players go on international duty come back injured for a serious length of time, ie Van Persie and the clubs get nothing so why should the clubs not play their best players at crucial times of the season if that is what the managers think best

[  ] This is true

Obv he can do what he want's but since England fans are looking forward to the World Cup and since no Rooney equals no chance surely we're entitled to care ?

[pleno1]

It makes me laugh all the "England fans" being pissed off that Rooney started because it could ruin their world cup hopes. ManUtd pay his wages not England. If he's injured they still have to pay his wages so surely its up to Fergie to do whatever he sees best to win the game. International football pisses me off. Players go on international duty come back injured for a serious length of time, ie Van Persie and the clubs get nothing so why should the clubs not play their best players at crucial times of the season if that is what the managers think best

[  ] This is true

Obv he can do what he want's but since England fans are looking forward to the World Cup and since no Rooney equals no chance surely we're entitled to care ?

lol that your sig has changed. jinx imo.

[kinboshi]

It makes me laugh all the "England fans" being pissed off that Rooney started because it could ruin their world cup hopes. ManUtd pay his wages not England. If he's injured they still have to pay his wages so surely its up to Fergie to do whatever he sees best to win the game. International football pisses me off. Players go on international duty come back injured for a serious length of time, ie Van Persie and the clubs get nothing so why should the clubs not play their best players at crucial times of the season if that is what the managers think best

[  ] This is true

Obv he can do what he want's but since England fans are looking forward to the World Cup and since no Rooney equals no chance surely we're entitled to care ?

Twice Torres has come back from games with Spain (friendlies or WC qualifiers) with injuries that took ages for him to recover from.  In fact, he's still recovering from the last one.

Same for Van Persie, as Dan mentioned, and a whole load of other players.  Whenever Gerrard plays for England, I'm hoping he doesn't get injured first and foremost before I'm worried about the result and if England win.

The clubs might get some compensation, but does it cover the costs of missing out on a key player for months?  How would Liverpool and Arsenal have faired this season if Torres and Van Persie had been fit all the way through?  How are manu going to get on without Rooney (not that I'm saying he was injured in an International, but key players being injured can hinder a team's chances of winning anything, if the injury occurs away from club duty, the club feels aggrieved)? 

[ACE2M]

It makes me laugh all the "England fans" being pissed off that Rooney started because it could ruin their world cup hopes. ManUtd pay his wages not England. If he's injured they still have to pay his wages so surely its up to Fergie to do whatever he sees best to win the game. International football pisses me off. Players go on international duty come back injured for a serious length of time, ie Van Persie and the clubs get nothing so why should the clubs not play their best players at crucial times of the season if that is what the managers think best

[  ] This is true

Obv he can do what he want's but since England fans are looking forward to the World Cup and since no Rooney equals no chance surely we're entitled to care ?

Twice Torres has come back from games with Spain (friendlies or WC qualifiers) with injuries that took ages for him to recover from.  In fact, he's still recovering from the last one.

Same for Van Persie, as Dan mentioned, and a whole load of other players.  Whenever Gerrard plays for England, I'm hoping he doesn't get injured first and foremost before I'm worried about the result and if England win.

The clubs might get some compensation, but does it cover the costs of missing out on a key player for months?  How would Liverpool and Arsenal have faired this season if Torres and Van Persie had been fit all the way through?  How are manu going to get on without Rooney (not that I'm saying he was injured in an International, but key players being injured can hinder a team's chances of winning anything, if the injury occurs away from club duty, the club feels aggrieved)? 

you got to put a lot of the blame on potato head himself surely? he has to say i'm fit to play or fergie wouldn't pick him.

[henrik777]

I think Fergie should stop playing him now so that when you inevitably lose at the world cup you can blame Fergie for his lack of match fitness.

I'm sure Fergie would love to get the blame for England being a lot poorer than the English think they are, in fact, i'm sure he'll love it.

Sandy

[The Baron]

Surely this is the proof that the "eeee pee ell" is no longer the strongest league in Europe. Not one English team could defend properly in the CL this season

So it is Spain then, who you would say have proved themselves defensively in this competition? For all their greatness going forward they are hardly rock solid at the back, Barcelona and how did the mighty Real Madrid fair in this competition.

Trying to make sweeping statements on one season of Champions league competion is doomed. The top 3 in the Premiership are still among the best 6 or 7 sides in Europe, the question has always been about strength in depth, where England actually have 2 teams in the final 8 of the Europa cup.



I have not changed my mind personally about the hierarchy in Europe being Spain> England>>>>>>>>> Italy>> Germany>>>>>>>>The Rest.

Well my sentences were not meant to be linked for one. The bit about bad defending was an observation, not additional proof.

Of course the top 3 in the eee pee ell are in the top 8 or so in Europe I'm just saying our league isn't stronger than Spain's any more.

I agree that it now goes Spain>England>the rest but not prior to this season.

Spain also has two teams still in the Europa League no?