Turn spot

[George2Loose]

Is my play on the flop ok? And what do we do on the turn? Early doors so no real history. Neither villians done anything to freakish. Lilou got chips my 3 betting jacks pre 2nd level and getting it against A10 on a 10 high board:

PokerStars Game #42663599268: Tournament #306010533, $20+$2 USD Hold'em No Limit - Level III (25/50) - 2010/04/14 19:45:27 WET [2010/04/14 14:45:27 ET]
Table '306010533 49' 9-max Seat #2 is the button
Seat 1: THOM@SSO (6255 in chips)
Seat 2: krisjd78 (3195 in chips)
Seat 3: PowellJam (5975 in chips)
Seat 4: lilou15 (10760 in chips)
Seat 5: kennidi1 (4425 in chips)
Seat 6: Sooners (5880 in chips)
Seat 7: benton24 (13450 in chips)
Seat 8: Doeks (2725 in chips)
Seat 9: George2Loose (6795 in chips)
PowellJam: posts small blind 25
lilou15: posts big blind 50
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to George2Loose [As Ah]
kennidi1: folds
Sooners: folds
benton24: folds
Doeks: calls 50
George2Loose: raises 150 to 200
THOM@SSO: folds
krisjd78: folds
PowellJam: folds
lilou15: calls 150
Doeks: calls 150
*** FLOP *** [ ]
lilou15: checks
Doeks: bets 450
George2Loose: calls 450
lilou15: calls 450
*** TURN *** [ ] []
lilou15: checks
Doeks: bets 2075 and is all-in
George2Loose:

[GreekStein]

i sigh fold.

(i call)

[pleno1]

i play it exactly the same.

[Doobs]

Just shove flop.  You get called by so many hands that are behind.  If he has a set so be it, but do they really lead out sets at this level?  I think you still have to call quickly before you have too much time to talk youself into believing the caller on the flop has 2 pair or a set too.

[jezza777]

Ummm shoving the flop is a disaster I think.

I fold here with no reads v 2 oppos, its isnt a tough fold either i dont think  . should we be bumping the flop ? there are a lot of turn cards that kill us by either completing hands villians ranges or forcing the villan to shut down.

[Doobs]

sorry misread, I had him on 2700 chips when I said just shove.

[Doobs]

I would raise the flop with that stack.  I hate flatting and finding half the cards in the pack look dangerous on the turn. 

[Cf]

Played it fine I think. Ugly board three ways. I fold the turn.

[AlexMartin]

Played it fine I think. Ugly board three ways. I fold the turn.

+1 wp  if u folded turn

[EvilPie]

I'm going through a non-believer phase at the moment so I call.

Looks a pretty sick board though.

Oppo limps then flats then donk leads flop and shoving turn.

Strange line by him. Can't be AK, possibly KQ or QT but there's definitely more hands that beat you than don't.

I guess the correct play has to be fold. (I probably still call though.... sigh........)

would definitely have raised the flop following the donk bet though and would've happily got the lot in there.

[George2Loose]

If we do decide to go with the hand do you:

Call- call a shove behind
Call- fold to a shove behind
Shove

My feeling was I was beating the shover but unsure of the player behind

[BulldozerD]

played Lilou yesterday in the 1r1a and he is super tez (French style) if that helps. In fact i think i was sat next to your lass George and helpfully doubled her up twice.

think it is played fine and its close, maybe a fold. If you call you are hoping to see a QT, K9, QJ type of hand i spose. But TJ and KJ look pretty likely

[Shawrie85]

i play it exactly the same.

Ditto
then get it in on the turn for me

[Skgv]

big charra says pro view is raise flop ! an passing  turn ! no need 4 thanks ! havea nice day

[byronkincaid]

Honestly, if I were able to detect every bluff thrown at me, I'd just play poker for a year and retire as a very rich person. So, while none of us can sniff out every bluff, we can probably spot a large percentage of them (how will we ever know for sure?), based upon the pattern of play by our opponent. If the player on the Button raises most of the time when in that position, he is either receiving good cards at an opportune time or, more likely, bluffing a lot. It's no secret that picking up the blinds and antes with little risk is a very profitable venture; we all should do it whenever the math makes sense (see Lesson 13 for more on the topic). Bluffs are, at least for me, difficult to deal with when I have a hand such as top pair, second-best kicker like the K-J in the example above. It's a decent hand, no doubt, but there are a lot of hands that beat it, so a re-raise back at me is usually going to convince me to fold. I say "usually" because if I were to fold every time, anyone who knew my style of play would simply come back at me whenever I raised.