River decision

[pleno1]

Guy is really tricky, I basically raised every hand for last few orbits. He's 3bet me once and been commited to call a shortie shove and he had A10o.He's playing 35/12/7. He has c/r the river and not shown down before and has c/r me on a q72 flop. If bet how much?

PokerStars Game #42826994404: Tournament #261214266, $20+$2 USD Hold'em No Limit - Level XIX (500/1000) - 2010/04/18 6:45:44 WET [2010/04/18 1:45:44 ET]
Table '261214266 17' 9-max Seat #1 is the button
Seat 1: oreo4461 (14792 in chips)
Seat 2: tiltforhire (38052 in chips)
Seat 3: Peroni789 (48186 in chips)
Seat 4: flopped6810 (20714 in chips)
Seat 5: packersfa796 (16296 in chips)
Seat 6: taximen120 (67205 in chips)
Seat 8: Jake Edward (15682 in chips)
Seat 9: pleno1 (129500 in chips)
oreo4461: posts the ante 200
tiltforhire: posts the ante 200
Peroni789: posts the ante 200
flopped6810: posts the ante 200
packersfa796: posts the ante 200
taximen120: posts the ante 200
Jake Edward: posts the ante 200
pleno1: posts the ante 200
tiltforhire: posts small blind 500
Peroni789: posts big blind 1000
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to pleno1 [ ]
flopped6810: folds
packersfa796: folds
taximen120: folds
Jake Edward: folds
pleno1: raises 1999 to 2999
oreo4461: folds
tiltforhire: folds
Peroni789: calls 1999
*** FLOP *** [ ]
Peroni789: checks
pleno1: bets 4425
Peroni789: calls 4425
*** TURN *** [ ] []
Peroni789: bets 6000
pleno1: calls 6000
*** RIVER *** [ ] []
Peroni789: checks
pleno1: ?

[MANTIS01]

I would bet 12k

[outragous76]

I would bet 12k

mantis posting first, and not waiting to consider all other posts............................. whats going on 

[railtard1]

tbh, with the pot at like 28k ish, and him having like ~35k back... i think this is a good (probably perfect) spot to shove.

His missed draws are folding even if you bet 1k yet all his Qx are probably hero'ing.

[paulhouk03]

raise turn?

i think he is italian from my experience they are tez

[Cf]

raise turn?

i think he is italian from my experience they are tez

he bet the turn when checked to

I'd bet about 15k on the end. If he shoves I'm not folding.

[paulhouk03]

raise turn?

i think he is italian from my experience they are tez

he bet the turn when checked to

I'd bet about 15k on the end. If he shoves I'm not folding.

he called the turn

[Girgy85]

raise turn?

i think he is italian from my experience they are tez

he bet the turn when checked to

I'd bet about 15k on the end. If he shoves I'm not folding.

he called the turn

Nana is wrong!

[paulhouk03]

raise turn?

i think he is italian from my experience they are tez

he bet the turn when checked to

I'd bet about 15k on the end. If he shoves I'm not folding.

he called the turn

Nana is wrong!

i know i was shocked too

[George2Loose]

deffo shove. Count to 16 first tho

[AlexMartin]

if hes tricky i think its close between induce and jam, prolly erring on side of jam.

[pleno1]

missed out something thats probs really important. He timebanked for about 25 seconds before making his decision. He was 1 tabling fwiw. Does this skew his range to complte air/nuts?

[MANTIS01]

Jam is respectable option. Reason I favour induce is cos hero has raised every hand last few orbits so appears super loose and villain has already forced an oppo to fold by c-r river in an earlier hand. We possibly get calls from more than just Q-x as well if we v-bet. The bit of value we lose from specifically Q-x (if indeed Q-x does call a jam) can be recouped by making our v-bet bluffs cheaper and more credible having shown down this hand.