Unexpected spot in donkament

[EvilPie]

DTD £50 deepstack. Structure is deep at first but becomes a crapshoot at around 400/800 + 50.

We need chips but generally they are pretty easy to come by. Plenty of pots can be won without showdown as lots of the players flat pre and play face up on the flop.

I've just been moved to a new table. Blinds are 150/300 and I have around 18k

Cut off raises to 800 off a similar stack to mine.

I make it 2100 on the button with 

Cut off calls

Flop is 

Cut off leads out for 4k.

This was the unexpected bit. I'm expecting a check fold like everyone else does or even a small bet that I can raise and win the pot as usually happens.

So given my rather nice looking hand do I go with it and get the lot in or just sigh fold and go back to winning lots of small pots.

This is something that's troubled me a bit recently. I've got in to good positions in comps winning lots of pots then had one big one go wrong that cripples me and takes my advantage away.

So do I just let him have it?

[outragous76]

Jam and back door the nut flush

simples

[BAM]

So do I just let him have it?

Yes! right in the mfckin eye

[MANTIS01]

If you oppos play their hands face up post flop and you can win lots of pots post flop why would you 3bet pre-flop? Don't you think this strat negates your advantage a bit?

[EvilPie]

If you oppos play their hands face up post flop and you can win lots of pots post flop why would you 3bet pre-flop? Don't you think this strat negates your advantage a bit?

Very good point but it was 3 bets and c bets that were winning the pots.

Being the aggressor in this comp signifies to everyone that you must have a big hand. Also if I call I'm likely to end up in a 3 or 4 way pot which isn't ideal even on the button.

[BulldozerD]

if he plays face up then surely he is betting "to find out where he his" like many live donkos do with his AT/AJ type of hand.

i'd probably just call and keep calling

[EvilPie]

if he plays face up then surely he is betting "to find out where he his" like many live donkos do with his AT/AJ type of hand.

i'd probably just call and keep calling

This was another thought. I'd won loads of pots this way because the small lead was exactly that kind of bet.

It was just the size of this bet suggests that we're playing for stacks on the turn if not the river and do I want to give up my edge in one cooler type hand? I also have to consider how much my edge will increase if I double up here as well.

Also I can't say for certain how this guy plays. He may be one of the few who have a decent grasp of the game and leads with a set in to a 3 bettor. I've literally only just sat down and have no clue. Best guess is that he's another one of the recreationals though.

A couple of orbits later and I may have known what his bet meant but right now with no reads.....?

[MANTIS01]

If you oppos play their hands face up post flop and you can win lots of pots post flop why would you 3bet pre-flop? Don't you think this strat negates your advantage a bit?

Very good point but it was 3 bets and c bets that were winning the pots.

Being the aggressor in this comp signifies to everyone that you must have a big hand. Also if I call I'm likely to end up in a 3 or 4 way pot which isn't ideal even on the button.

Yah ok, but considering you do have a big hand it's you who's now playing your cards face up. I would still flat this, especially considering you are new to the table, and 3bet the lower part of your range if that's how the table perceives 3betting.

[MC]

What was the other guys stack?

Can't see an alternative other than going with this hand...

[EvilPie]

If you oppos play their hands face up post flop and you can win lots of pots post flop why would you 3bet pre-flop? Don't you think this strat negates your advantage a bit?

Very good point but it was 3 bets and c bets that were winning the pots.

Being the aggressor in this comp signifies to everyone that you must have a big hand. Also if I call I'm likely to end up in a 3 or 4 way pot which isn't ideal even on the button.

Yah ok, but considering you do have a big hand it's you who's now playing your cards face up. I would still flat this, especially considering you are new to the table, and 3bet the lower part of your range if that's how the table perceives 3betting.

Aye. Food for thought there.

I've just got this thing against limping unfortunately. It's just not in my nature. Maybe I should throw a few in at new tables which will then give my more aggressive actions more poke in future hands.

[TheChipPrince]

What was the other guys stack?

Can't see an alternative other than going with this hand...

OP observation failaments.

[EvilPie]

What was the other guys stack?

Can't see an alternative other than going with this hand...

Similar to mine. Probably just covers me.

When you say go with it are you thinking flat and get it in on the turn or just shove now?

Shove now seems very spew. Flat drops me to 12k if my intention is to go passive and get to showdown and he shoves on me on turn or river.

[MANTIS01]

If you oppos play their hands face up post flop and you can win lots of pots post flop why would you 3bet pre-flop? Don't you think this strat negates your advantage a bit?

Very good point but it was 3 bets and c bets that were winning the pots.

Being the aggressor in this comp signifies to everyone that you must have a big hand. Also if I call I'm likely to end up in a 3 or 4 way pot which isn't ideal even on the button.

Yah ok, but considering you do have a big hand it's you who's now playing your cards face up. I would still flat this, especially considering you are new to the table, and 3bet the lower part of your range if that's how the table perceives 3betting.

Aye. Food for thought there.

I've just got this thing against limping unfortunately. It's just not in my nature. Maybe I should throw a few in at new tables which will then give my more aggressive actions more poke in future hands.

You is calling a raise not limping right? If you sit down with no info and 3bet a pot first hand then I reckon you're gonna face tough decisions, but a couple of orbits later you are more clued up as you say. Lot's of reasons not to inflate the pot imo. I agree with Bulldozer and would flat the lead now anyhow.

[MC]

What was the other guys stack?

Can't see an alternative other than going with this hand...

OP observation failaments.

lol my bad.

Calling or shoving both fine imo.

3-bet more pre? Or call as has been suggested...

[EvilPie]

If you oppos play their hands face up post flop and you can win lots of pots post flop why would you 3bet pre-flop? Don't you think this strat negates your advantage a bit?

Very good point but it was 3 bets and c bets that were winning the pots.

Being the aggressor in this comp signifies to everyone that you must have a big hand. Also if I call I'm likely to end up in a 3 or 4 way pot which isn't ideal even on the button.

Yah ok, but considering you do have a big hand it's you who's now playing your cards face up. I would still flat this, especially considering you are new to the table, and 3bet the lower part of your range if that's how the table perceives 3betting.

Aye. Food for thought there.

I've just got this thing against limping unfortunately. It's just not in my nature. Maybe I should throw a few in at new tables which will then give my more aggressive actions more poke in future hands.

You is calling a raise not limping right? If you sit down with no info and 3bet a pot first hand then I reckon you're gonna face tough decisions, but a couple of orbits later you are more clued up as you say. Lot's of reasons not to inflate the pot imo. I agree with Bulldozer and would flat the lead now anyhow.

Yes sorry my bad. Flat not limp. Flat pre looks like the best option given no reads on oppo. Also under reps my hand as well.

Lesson learnt. No 3 betting on new tables if I actually has a hand.