Gordon Brown.....

[sovietsong]

Agree with Sov. I've called people twats after a meeting to other people at work even when they weren't. Gord didn't think he'd handled her well which i think he did as she was a pain but instead of going over why he was annoyed he just came up with an excuse. He probably didn't mean it but was just annoyed, doubt it affected his work too much though

err, exactly he did it because he lost his temper and was annoyed - hence my tilt metaphor

And exactly, it wasn't a disaster, he handled it quite well - but his judgement was so far out that he handled it appallingly.

So he can't handle minor set backs, he blows them up out of all proportion and it results in him making mistakes - how can that not have any implication about his ability to do the job?

Is this a level?

was thinking the same thing!  still cant accept that saying something in private about somebody means he can't do the job.

[Josedinho]

Agree with Sov. I've called people twats after a meeting to other people at work even when they weren't. Gord didn't think he'd handled her well which i think he did as she was a pain but instead of going over why he was annoyed he just came up with an excuse. He probably didn't mean it but was just annoyed, doubt it affected his work too much though

err, exactly he did it because he lost his temper and was annoyed - hence my tilt metaphor

And exactly, it wasn't a disaster, he handled it quite well - but his judgement was so far out that he handled it appallingly.

So he can't handle minor set backs, he blows them up out of all proportion and it results in him making mistakes - how can that not have any implication about his ability to do the job?

He didn't blow it out of all proportion. He was annoyed and couldn't be arsed to explain why so just made an off the cuff comment. No biggie. As i said, i've done it and i bet most people have, you don't mean it you just let yourself get wound up for a split second, realised it wasn't a big deal so made a comment and hear no more about it.

[George2Loose]

Agree with Sov. I've called people twats after a meeting to other people at work even when they weren't. Gord didn't think he'd handled her well which i think he did as she was a pain but instead of going over why he was annoyed he just came up with an excuse. He probably didn't mean it but was just annoyed, doubt it affected his work too much though

err, exactly he did it because he lost his temper and was annoyed - hence my tilt metaphor

And exactly, it wasn't a disaster, he handled it quite well - but his judgement was so far out that he handled it appallingly.

So he can't handle minor set backs, he blows them up out of all proportion and it results in him making mistakes - how can that not have any implication about his ability to do the job?

Is this a level?

was thinking the same thing!  still cant accept that saying something in private about somebody means he can't do the job.

Yep obviously if a poker player occasionally tilts means they're shit.

[Josedinho]

  - is this the kind of guy that should be running the country?

Probably not however is this:

I reckon 8 could do a job

[kinboshi]

  - is this the kind of guy that should be running the country?

Probably not however is this:

I reckon 8 could do a job

What sort of job though?

Village idiot?

[sovietsong]

Agree with Sov. I've called people twats after a meeting to other people at work even when they weren't. Gord didn't think he'd handled her well which i think he did as she was a pain but instead of going over why he was annoyed he just came up with an excuse. He probably didn't mean it but was just annoyed, doubt it affected his work too much though

err, exactly he did it because he lost his temper and was annoyed - hence my tilt metaphor

And exactly, it wasn't a disaster, he handled it quite well - but his judgement was so far out that he handled it appallingly.

So he can't handle minor set backs, he blows them up out of all proportion and it results in him making mistakes - how can that not have any implication about his ability to do the job?

He didn't blow it out of all proportion. He was annoyed and couldn't be arsed to explain why so just made an off the cuff comment. No biggie. As i said, i've done it and i bet most people have, you don't mean it you just let yourself get wound up for a split second, realised it wasn't a big deal so made a comment and hear no more about it.

i want to come clean, i've said some nasty things about jon today, i was only speaking to the dog and i dont think it was recorded but i dont want it coming out later putting my job in jeopardy!

[nirvana]

Just watched the story on the news.

Think I'm now old enough to say this modern media age has a lot to answer for.

The real lack of judgement here was not to express the opinion that the woman was a bigot, but for a bunch of senior minds in our governing party to decide the best course of action was to travel to an individuals house to give a grovelling apology - how pathetic. I mean, just quite unbelievably tragic to watch.

How easy, if challenged on the subject, to just say I thought she expressed some bigoted views (even if you couldn't then substantiate it). No story in that

[sovietsong]

its down to the 24 hour news, they need some shit to fill the hours. 

[Ironside]

  - is this the kind of guy that should be running the country?

Probably not however is this:

I reckon 8 could do a job

What sort of job though?

Village idiot?

looks to me that he could play dick whittington in panto

[kinboshi]

Agree with Sov. I've called people twats after a meeting to other people at work even when they weren't. Gord didn't think he'd handled her well which i think he did as she was a pain but instead of going over why he was annoyed he just came up with an excuse. He probably didn't mean it but was just annoyed, doubt it affected his work too much though

err, exactly he did it because he lost his temper and was annoyed - hence my tilt metaphor

And exactly, it wasn't a disaster, he handled it quite well - but his judgement was so far out that he handled it appallingly.

So he can't handle minor set backs, he blows them up out of all proportion and it results in him making mistakes - how can that not have any implication about his ability to do the job?

He didn't blow it out of all proportion. He was annoyed and couldn't be arsed to explain why so just made an off the cuff comment. No biggie. As i said, i've done it and i bet most people have, you don't mean it you just let yourself get wound up for a split second, realised it wasn't a big deal so made a comment and hear no more about it.

i want to come clean, i've said some nasty things about jon today, i was only speaking to the dog and i dont think it was recorded but i dont want it coming out later putting my job in jeopardy!

If your job was the leader of a political party, or the Prime Minister of the country, then what you say can put your job in jeopardy.  He has the right to say what he wants, but that doesn't mean it's going to help increase the Labour party's share of the votes.

He didn't even say anything 'that bad'.  He said he was "sort of bigoted'.  Hardly the most damning criticism of anyone you're likely to hear.  Cameron had his dodgy moment when being interviewed about gay rights - fortunately for him it has long been forgotten and it wasn't a moment that was going to be pounced on by a media frenzy.  It shouldn't make a blind bit of difference.  But I think it just might.

[MANTIS01]

People seem to be looking at this latest gaffe too literally because for me it's a metaphor for Labour's blinding contempt for the public in general. Labour have this social ideology about how things should be and if people don't fit into their picture there is something wrong with those people. But this is arse about face because the government should be there to represent the views of the public not to dictate to the public. It matters not that he called an old woman a bigot, it matters that he just dismissed the very reasonable views of a pro labour member of joe public without a seconds consideration of those views. Typical labour imo.

[Jon MW]

 - is this the kind of guy that should be running the country?

Probably not however is this:

great post eck!

In what way?

What exactly is your point?

Pretty much what Dan said didn't really think you would need that explained to you Jon.

So being able to relate to the majority of the electorate is what makes a good Prime Minister?

You don't think any understanding about international relations, economics, history or diplomacy might be more relevant?

[Eck]

 - is this the kind of guy that should be running the country?

Probably not however is this:

great post eck!

In what way?

What exactly is your point?

Pretty much what Dan said didn't really think you would need that explained to you Jon.

So being able to relate to the majority of the electorate is what makes a good Prime Minister?

You don't think any understanding about international relations, economics, history or diplomacy might be more relevant?

and you think he has a greater understanding of those issues because of?

[Jon MW]

 - is this the kind of guy that should be running the country?

Probably not however is this:

great post eck!

In what way?

What exactly is your point?

Pretty much what Dan said didn't really think you would need that explained to you Jon.

So being able to relate to the majority of the electorate is what makes a good Prime Minister?

You don't think any understanding about international relations, economics, history or diplomacy might be more relevant?

and you think he has a greater understanding of those issues because of?

I'm not saying he has, I was only questioning how much you can infer from that picture, and more importantly, how relevant it is

Being able to relate to the electorate might make you a good party politician and a good vote catcher - but it's only of marginal relevance to running the country

[Geo the Sarge]

 - is this the kind of guy that should be running the country?

Probably not however is this:

great post eck!

In what way?

What exactly is your point?

Pretty much what Dan said didn't really think you would need that explained to you Jon.

So being able to relate to the majority of the electorate is what makes a good Prime Minister? Probably

You don't think any understanding about international relations, economics, history or diplomacy might be more relevant? if above applies, then no

Not neccessarily my view but would be the view of many of the electorate with no understanding of the subjects in question 2

Geo