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« Reply #525 on: May 11, 2010, 08:20:10 PM »

I wonder if this will turn people off the LDs...

My reasoning is I had a quick look on facebook and it seems like lots of people have no idea what they stand for and are now appalled

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A lot of my friends in Scotlandshire are anti Tori with more fervour than their grandparents were anti Nazi. They're saying that if the ConDemNation comes then they no longer agree with Nick and will be voting Labour.

Like this a lot..WP Tank.

A lot of people in Scotland should get over their Tory hang-ups though.."Oh but twenty years ago they were mean to us"...Get over it FFS.
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« Reply #526 on: May 11, 2010, 09:21:15 PM »

I wonder if this will turn people off the LDs...

My reasoning is I had a quick look on facebook and it seems like lots of people have no idea what they stand for and are now appalled

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A lot of my friends in Scotlandshire are anti Tori with more fervour than their grandparents were anti Nazi. They're saying that if the ConDemNation comes then they no longer agree with Nick and will be voting Labour.

Like this a lot..WP Tank.

A lot of people in Scotland should get over their Tory hang-ups though.."Oh but twenty years ago they were mean to us"...Get over it FFS.

Lol, good point Boldie, had similar convo with a woman at work last week who said she would never vote Labour beacause of the black outs in the 70's when she was trying to bring up a young baby with no heating or hot water or lights. Sure is a good basis for who you vote for in 2010
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« Reply #527 on: May 11, 2010, 09:42:48 PM »

Have people forgotten what the tories are all bout, the only good thing is that just over 1/3 of the people who bothered to vote (were conned by)  actually support them.

Lets watch the LIB Dems show their true colours and dig their own grave whille tories try to weasel their way out of PR.
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« Reply #528 on: May 11, 2010, 09:45:32 PM »

lolol. Thisn't Thatcher's tories, a much more socailly conscious group iimo (albeit with right wing backbenchers)

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« Reply #529 on: May 11, 2010, 09:48:35 PM »

Have people forgotten what the tories are all bout,...

lol - so you're not paying any attention at all to the people making fun of judging the Tories by what they did 30 years and Labour by what it did 40 years ago?
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« Reply #530 on: May 11, 2010, 10:14:55 PM »

Have people forgotten what the tories are all bout,...

lol - so you're not paying any attention at all to the people making fun of judging the Tories by what they did 30 years and Labour by what it did 40 years ago?

most of these new tory MP's grew up idolising thatcher, people got what they wanted so let the fun begin.
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« Reply #531 on: May 11, 2010, 10:25:18 PM »

I wonder if this will turn people off the LDs...

My reasoning is I had a quick look on facebook and it seems like lots of people have no idea what they stand for and are now appalled

Yeah definitely. I've been a lib dem supporter for the last few years (having previously been a card carrying member of the labour party) since they seemed to drift leftwards as labour moved in the other direction. How they can even begin to find common ground for a formal coalition with the tories has left me incredibly disillusioned with them and I really don't know where my allegiances lie now. Guess i'm just a political slut Smiley
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« Reply #532 on: May 11, 2010, 10:27:13 PM »

Having Murdoch's ministry of truth working over time to prejudice public opinion is one thing but the BBC live report states "20.43 David Cameron enters Downing Street as prime minister. A large crowd claps and cheers.

The only clearly discernible noise was very loud booing, lots of it.
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« Reply #533 on: May 11, 2010, 11:05:10 PM »

Clegg to be deputy PM.


GG Lib Dems. Nice knowing you. Would PMSL if he didn't get the Lib Dem vote he needs.
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« Reply #534 on: May 11, 2010, 11:26:06 PM »

Thank God for some stability at least.

Bottom line is Labour (new, old, any version) had to be removed.

They've bankrupted the country FFS. (as per usual).

Hard times ahead for all taxpayers to pay for the usual Labour mismanagement.

Only this time on a horrendous scale, biggest debt now since the end of the Second World War.

Coalition makes it more likely of the true state of the finances being released to the countries workers at last.

Unions already lining up for there strikes !, be prepared for the sack you fools.

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« Reply #535 on: May 11, 2010, 11:59:13 PM »

I wonder if this will turn people off the LDs...

My reasoning is I had a quick look on facebook and it seems like lots of people have no idea what they stand for and are now appalled

Yeah definitely. I've been a lib dem supporter for the last few years (having previously been a card carrying member of the labour party) since they seemed to drift leftwards as labour moved in the other direction. How they can even begin to find common ground for a formal coalition with the tories has left me incredibly disillusioned with them and I really don't know where my allegiances lie now. Guess i'm just a political slut Smiley

Interesting letter in the Times today from a lifelong LibDem supporter equally disgusted at the prospect of working with the Labour party. Their main beef involved citing liberal principles and that the Labour government wants the state to dominate it's citizens lives from cradle to death.

I think that the party that supports proportional representation has a duty to demonstrate to the electorate that political partys working together is actually possible in this country. The case for PR will be much stronger if this new government lasts a full term, I agree with Paddy Ashdown in that respect.

The Liberal Democrats were in a bit of a lose-lose-lose situation, a deal with the Labour party really wasn't possible. The tiny parties could have been bought easily enough, and it's not them, or the media that would have brought the whole thing down after a few weeks/months. It would have been Labour rebels.
Cue massive Tory majority from resultant general election.

Doing a deal with neither of them wouldn't sit well with anyone. Would make some LibDem activists feel good about themselves perhaps, but just as many would see Nick Clegg as having squandered a once in a generation oppurtunity.
The resultant Tory minority government would probably become a Tory government with a slim majority before too long. The media would find a way to sell it that the LibDems forced the country into another general election rather than the Torys.

Your party is in a good position now, and also playing a good long game on PR. (Anyone who thinks that Nick Clegg could have gotten a deal on a referendum for STV from Labour isn't looking at the political reality. The Labour party being completely divided on that without any leader to unite them. Not to mention losing masses of amounts of public support by the need to bribe some tiny parties and perpetually wearing the monicker of being the coalition of losers) He also wouldn't have gotten more out of the Torys (who almost wanted them to walk away from the deal I felt, so long as they could sell it that they'd offered something reasonable)

Don't know why I'm canvassing on behalf of the LibDems here, but it's not a good time to walk away from your Party because your leader has done the only thing he could have.
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« Reply #536 on: May 12, 2010, 12:03:04 AM »



1 in 5 people now work for the state in the UK

1 in 3 in Scotland.

It's unsustainable. Full Stop.

Thank any god you like that Labour were ejected.
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« Reply #537 on: May 12, 2010, 01:04:42 AM »

I wonder if this will turn people off the LDs...

My reasoning is I had a quick look on facebook and it seems like lots of people have no idea what they stand for and are now appalled

yup

A lot of my friends in Scotlandshire are anti Tori with more fervour than their grandparents were anti Nazi. They're saying that if the ConDemNation comes then they no longer agree with Nick and will be voting Labour.

Like this a lot..WP Tank.

A lot of people in Scotland should get over their Tory hang-ups though.."Oh but twenty years ago they were mean to us"...Get over it FFS.
Living in a community they did their utmost to destroy & seeing the results 20 years on I'll celebrate Thatcher's death like I've won the lottery. The current mob just aren't as honest as she was. The cuts will come first in Govt spending:

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That's not down to Labour - that was Thatchers determination to take any major power out of Scots unions & to make us a service culture.

Still - independence wouls suit the Tories - so there's a little hope.
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« Reply #538 on: May 12, 2010, 02:06:31 AM »

I wonder if this will turn people off the LDs...

My reasoning is I had a quick look on facebook and it seems like lots of people have no idea what they stand for and are now appalled

yup

A lot of my friends in Scotlandshire are anti Tori with more fervour than their grandparents were anti Nazi. They're saying that if the ConDemNation comes then they no longer agree with Nick and will be voting Labour.

Like this a lot..WP Tank.

A lot of people in Scotland should get over their Tory hang-ups though.."Oh but twenty years ago they were mean to us"...Get over it FFS.
Living in a community they did their utmost to destroy & seeing the results 20 years on I'll celebrate Thatcher's death like I've won the lottery. The current mob just aren't as honest as she was. The cuts will come first in Govt spending:

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1 in 5 people now work for the state in the UK

1 in 3 in Scotland.

That's not down to Labour - that was Thatchers determination to take any major power out of Scots unions & to make us a service culture.

Still - independence wouls suit the Tories - so there's a little hope.


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« Reply #539 on: May 12, 2010, 02:33:35 AM »

I don't think the future looks too bad for Labour at all, as Tighty says this is a really poisioned chalice of an election to win with the economy needing massive attention which involve wide sweeping changes (read public spending cuts). The governments popularity will no doubt take a hit even though they pretty much have one if not both hands tied behind their back regarding this.

While Labour can regroup under a new leader, probably Milliband seize the centre ground and look towards the next election which could be quicker than we expect imo. As the awkwardness of the maths of forming a coalition meant that a Condem coalition was the only practical way forward, yet they seem very uneasy bedfellows in terms of ideology. I can very easily see a situation where the liberals feel promises have been broken or get what they asked for and then decide that still the government is not acting anywhere near their progressive left ideology of the majority of their party at large.

The public looking in it on all this I can see swinging back to labour by the time the next election. Especially if Labour go for a smiley pr savvy leader who is good at tv debates etc.



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