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[TightEnd]

I think the Libdems will go for "confidence and supply"..abstain to allow the basic Con bills to go through, but not be associated with the imminent pain that a lot of the electorate still does not realise is coming, in terms of scale

Turn their back on the tories and support Labour now (propping up a leader who has polled at Micahel Foot levels is ludicrous) and I think they'll be punished big style in all the LibDem/Tory marginals where a lot of their seats are, in the second election

Clegg should play it long, keep any deal informal and at arms length, and claim correctly he acted in the national interest when he goes up against Cameron and Milliband in the autumn. At that point go for the electoral reform joker and put a proper coalition in place with Labour if they win it, or settle for seats in a Con government with some policies enacted if Cameron wins the second one

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[Rod Paradise]

I still don't quite understand.

The Conservatives have the most seats and the most votes, why do you think they shouldn't form a government?

because until they are invited to do so they have no right to do so

OK - so brown has told them he is happy to see if LD and Con can form a working majority.............. and at that point I refer you to my previous comments

why DO you think that a party without a majority should walk into government?

are you aware of how totally unsustainable it will be? That is why we have a majority based system

The next government won't serve a full term, but ruling with a minority is far from catastrophic whilst work needs to be done on the economy, it's only after that where real policy differences on less urgent matters come into play that another election will have to be called to give a single party a mandate.

 

gg me listening to anymroe points you have

ok - first vote on important changes in a minority led tory govt

spending cuts immediately (their policy)

vote in house of commons fails as it isnt lib dem or labour policy

hmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm - do you envisage any problems with your plan?

Cameron is in it for himself - not the country - that is why i dislike him as an individual

I can assure you that financially, personally I would be MUCH better off under a tory govt, however, i have a social concience too, which outweighs my perosnal gain on the whole.

i have no problem telling people that i dislike cameron, why i dislike him, my reasons for it, and why i think like that

Not sure you're right there - they all know they need to have spending cuts - if the tories get in as a minority they will be pagged back a bit in where they make the cuts, but I have no doubt they'd still get cuts through.

[outragous76]

because until they are invited to do so they have no right to do so

what are you talking about? Clegg insisted this morning on talking to Cameron first (clearly he has the most legitimacy), Cameron is making an offer and then we'll see if the Libdems go for it and on what basis

Once the hung parliament civil service framework has been implemented any party can talk to any other, Brown stays prime minister until a resolution is reached

correct but brown has the first right to try and form a govt, that is all i was saying -

[TightEnd]

Guy you are misguided, the markets and if necessary the IMF will force a severe plan of cuts to go through, whatever administration we have in a weeks time. It's that serious

[Jon MW]

Guido Fawkes seems to think a Lib/Con pact and electoral reform could banish Labour from government for ever:

http://order-order.com/2010/05/07/the-change-coalition-part-iii/

It's round about here I get confused by what the lid dems are about. The liberal side seems to fit with the tories but the socialists side with Labour.

It is interesting the Liberal history of the party is closer to the Conservatives
but the Social Democrat side is obviously closer to Labour

It's skewed slightly by the fact that they have a significant radical element, but the underlying principles of the party 'should' mean they could work with either the Conservatives or Labour

[outragous76]

I still don't quite understand.

The Conservatives have the most seats and the most votes, why do you think they shouldn't form a government?

because until they are invited to do so they have no right to do so

OK - so brown has told them he is happy to see if LD and Con can form a working majority.............. and at that point I refer you to my previous comments

why DO you think that a party without a majority should walk into government?

are you aware of how totally unsustainable it will be? That is why we have a majority based system

The next government won't serve a full term, but ruling with a minority is far from catastrophic whilst work needs to be done on the economy, it's only after that where real policy differences on less urgent matters come into play that another election will have to be called to give a single party a mandate.

 

gg me listening to anymroe points you have

ok - first vote on important changes in a minority led tory govt

spending cuts immediately (their policy)

vote in house of commons fails as it isnt lib dem or labour policy

hmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm - do you envisage any problems with your plan?

Cameron is in it for himself - not the country - that is why i dislike him as an individual

I can assure you that financially, personally I would be MUCH better off under a tory govt, however, i have a social concience too, which outweighs my perosnal gain on the whole.

i have no problem telling people that i dislike cameron, why i dislike him, my reasons for it, and why i think like that

Not sure you're right there - they all know they need to have spending cuts - if the tories get in as a minority they will be pagged back a bit in where they make the cuts, but I have no doubt they'd still get cuts through.

brown will spend 2010 and cut 2011

[TightEnd]

because until they are invited to do so they have no right to do so

what are you talking about? Clegg insisted this morning on talking to Cameron first (clearly he has the most legitimacy), Cameron is making an offer and then we'll see if the Libdems go for it and on what basis

Once the hung parliament civil service framework has been implemented any party can talk to any other, Brown stays prime minister until a resolution is reached

correct but brown has the first right to try and form a govt, that is all i was saying -

well not this time he doesn't. He does constitutionally but he was left no choice once Clegg who committed in the run up to the election to give highest votes/highest seats first dibs, confirmed this this morning.

[ripple11]

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they are, they will hopefully fail and the silver spooned tw@t will crawl back into his mansion for a while
...

yes, good objective political judgement - I'm sure that couldn't possibly prejudice your view

He's got a point - what in Cameron's past qualifies him to run anything?

same as Blair and Thatcher?

[TightEnd]

I still don't quite understand.

The Conservatives have the most seats and the most votes, why do you think they shouldn't form a government?

because until they are invited to do so they have no right to do so

OK - so brown has told them he is happy to see if LD and Con can form a working majority.............. and at that point I refer you to my previous comments

why DO you think that a party without a majority should walk into government?

are you aware of how totally unsustainable it will be? That is why we have a majority based system

The next government won't serve a full term, but ruling with a minority is far from catastrophic whilst work needs to be done on the economy, it's only after that where real policy differences on less urgent matters come into play that another election will have to be called to give a single party a mandate.

 

gg me listening to anymroe points you have

ok - first vote on important changes in a minority led tory govt

spending cuts immediately (their policy)

vote in house of commons fails as it isnt lib dem or labour policy

hmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm - do you envisage any problems with your plan?

Cameron is in it for himself - not the country - that is why i dislike him as an individual

I can assure you that financially, personally I would be MUCH better off under a tory govt, however, i have a social concience too, which outweighs my perosnal gain on the whole.

i have no problem telling people that i dislike cameron, why i dislike him, my reasons for it, and why i think like that

Not sure you're right there - they all know they need to have spending cuts - if the tories get in as a minority they will be pagged back a bit in where they make the cuts, but I have no doubt they'd still get cuts through.

brown will spend 2010 and cut 2011

If Spain goes, that policy is unworkable. The servicing cost of UK debt will soar, the deficit will go higher, government creditors would be panicky and cuts would have to happen now.

[outragous76]

im talking stated policy

[Bongo]

...
they are, they will hopefully fail and the silver spooned tw@t will crawl back into his mansion for a while
...

yes, good objective political judgement - I'm sure that couldn't possibly prejudice your view

He's got a point - what in Cameron's past qualifies him to run anything?

Cameron - nothing.
Clegg - nothing.
Brown - bankrupted the country.

We're screwed either way!

[TightEnd]

Guido Fawkes seems to think a Lib/Con pact and electoral reform could banish Labour from government for ever:

http://order-order.com/2010/05/07/the-change-coalition-part-iii/

It's round about here I get confused by what the lid dems are about. The liberal side seems to fit with the tories but the socialists side with Labour.

It is interesting the Liberal history of the party is closer to the Conservatives
but the Social Democrat side is obviously closer to Labour

It's skewed slightly by the fact that they have a significant radical element, but the underlying principles of the party 'should' mean they could work with either the Conservatives or Labour

speaking from personal experience the LidDem local activists are much more extreme than the MPs they elect. Any ConLib deal stands no chance if it has to be voted on by LibDem members

Similarly Cam may have problems with Con members, many of who are 1980s Thatcherite dinosaurs. those T-Rexes are unelectable without a social conscience that I believe many of the new Tory MPs have

[Jon MW]

I think the Libdems will go for "confidence and supply"..abstain to allow the basic Con bills to go through, but not be associated with the imminent pain that a lot of the electorate still does not realise is coming, in terms of scale

Turn their back on the tories and support Labour now (propping up a leader who has polled at Micahel Foot levels is ludicrous) and I think they'll be punished big style in all the LibDem/Tory marginals where a lot of their seats are, in the second election

Clegg should play it long, keep any deal informal and at arms length, and claim correctly he acted in the national interest when he goes up against Cameron and Milliband in the autumn. At that point go for the electoral reform joker and put a proper coalition in place with Labour if they win it, or settle for seats in a Con government with some policies enacted if Cameron wins the second one

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I think this 'should' happen

The only thing that might affect it is if the Lib Dems get scared that either the Conservatives or Labour will get a surge of support between now and the next election.

I don't see this hapenning but if they do worry about it then that would push them into seeking a deal to give them some return sooner rather than later

[TightEnd]

im talking stated policy

fair enough. I am merely making the point that the speed of global events means that stated policy looks optimistic to me

We haven't got a year to wait, if the Eurozone situation worsens. Which it demonstrably has since the Labour manifesto came out 

[TightEnd]

Anyway, just wanted to say this has been a fantastic thread (I'm off on a plane now), and a pretty amazing 18 hours of politics watching

Well done everyone.