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« on: May 24, 2010, 02:54:14 AM »

.10/.25 full tilt rush.

I've not played in ages and figured I could do with some practice before the bash. I'm not sure I got this one right - what would you do?

No stats/reads on the player involved.

Seat 1: plzjustHOLD ($39.32)
Seat 2: OsmBsmY ($34.26)
Seat 3: Stangirl ($42.20)
Seat 4: Bongomatic ($66.96)
Seat 5: herminator123 ($71.17)
Seat 6: MarkSKiii ($32.48)

MarkSKiii posts the small blind of $0.10
plzjustHOLD posts the big blind of $0.25

The button is in seat #5

*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to Bongomatic 
OsmBsmY raises to $0.50
Stangirl folds
Bongomatic calls $0.50
herminator123 folds
MarkSKiii folds
plzjustHOLD folds
*** FLOP *** two hearts
OsmBsmY bets $0.75
Bongomatic calls $0.75
*** TURN *** two hearts
OsmBsmY bets $1.25
Bongomatic calls $1.25
*** RIVER *** two hearts
OsmBsmY bets $3.12
Bongomatic raises to $7
OsmBsmY raises to $31.44
 
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« Reply #1 on: May 24, 2010, 03:10:54 AM »

call. If he's got it it's a cooler
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« Reply #2 on: May 24, 2010, 03:17:03 AM »

river sizing has fked up the hand, got to call now.
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« Reply #3 on: May 24, 2010, 12:28:19 PM »

call
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« Reply #4 on: May 24, 2010, 01:00:47 PM »

river sizing has fked up the hand, got to call now.

You mean I should have bet more?
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« Reply #5 on: May 24, 2010, 02:09:18 PM »

guy raised utg, bet 3 streets. Ah is on the board, we have the jh and qh, so he has to have a kh xh combo to beat us so it;s really really hard for him to have a hand here. call
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« Reply #6 on: May 24, 2010, 05:22:29 PM »

river sizing has fked up the hand, got to call now.

You mean I should have bet more?


yer, u basically minraise the river when u hit, villain can think ur value raising worse and ship worse for value. If u raise to 13 and he jams, then we can think about folding.
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« Reply #7 on: May 24, 2010, 05:24:53 PM »

river sizing has fked up the hand, got to call now.

You mean I should have bet more?


yer, u basically minraise the river when u hit, villain can think ur value raising worse and ship worse for value. If u raise to 13 and he jams, then we can think about folding.

But then call anyway.
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« Reply #8 on: May 24, 2010, 05:29:12 PM »

river sizing has fked up the hand, got to call now.

You mean I should have bet more?


yer, u basically minraise the river when u hit, villain can think ur value raising worse and ship worse for value. If u raise to 13 and he jams, then we can think about folding.

But then call anyway.

probably, someone told me a wicked secret that increases your winrate exponentially. If you fold to a river bet you cant win the pot!

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« Reply #9 on: May 24, 2010, 06:12:43 PM »

I bet so little because I didn't think he had anything and wanted to get something. Lesson learnt - bet properly in future!

I don't get his bet sizing on the end though. If he thinks I'm weak because of my small bet then why does he bet so much (1 1/3 of the pot at that stage)? If he wants me to call (and thinks I'm weak) you'd think he'd bet less. If he doesn't want me to call why bet so much?
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« Reply #10 on: May 24, 2010, 09:44:43 PM »

I bet so little because I didn't think he had anything

So you expect him to call with nothing?
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« Reply #11 on: May 24, 2010, 10:53:33 PM »

Stranger things have happened...

If he had a 1 pair type hand he's probably not going to like the river much so my thoughts were a small bet and I might get a crying call.

If I thought I'd played the hand well I wouldn't be posting it! Wink
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« Reply #12 on: May 24, 2010, 11:22:04 PM »

Stranger things have happened...

If he had a 1 pair type hand he's probably not going to like the river much so my thoughts were a small bet and I might get a crying call.

If I thought I'd played the hand well I wouldn't be posting it! Wink

wasn't critiquing that Bongo, just getting you to analyse your thinking
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« Reply #13 on: May 25, 2010, 12:03:35 AM »

.10/.25 full tilt rush.

I've not played in ages and figured I could do with some practice before the bash. I'm not sure I got this one right - what would you do?

No stats/reads on the player involved.

Seat 1: plzjustHOLD ($39.32)
Seat 2: OsmBsmY ($34.26)
Seat 3: Stangirl ($42.20)
Seat 4: Bongomatic ($66.96)
Seat 5: herminator123 ($71.17)
Seat 6: MarkSKiii ($32.48)

MarkSKiii posts the small blind of $0.10
plzjustHOLD posts the big blind of $0.25

The button is in seat #5

*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to Bongomatic 
OsmBsmY raises to $0.50
Stangirl folds
Bongomatic calls $0.50
herminator123 folds
MarkSKiii folds
plzjustHOLD folds
*** FLOP *** two hearts
OsmBsmY bets $0.75
Bongomatic calls $0.75
*** TURN *** two hearts
OsmBsmY bets $1.25
Bongomatic calls $1.25
*** RIVER *** two hearts
OsmBsmY bets $3.12
Bongomatic raises to $7
OsmBsmY raises to $31.44
 

This is an interesting hand. He has min-raised from UTG and you have called from the button. No problem with any of this so far, although he could have almost any two cards with that raise, really can't narrow his range much at all. He could have a big pair and be hoping for a reraise, he could just have two big cards like AQ or AJ or he could also have something like suited connectors here. Medium pairs could also go in his range. Really hard to narrow him down much.

After the flop we have a pot of $1.35 and he bets $0.75. This could be a continuation bet, your call is fine (you could raise here but you are I presume hoping to hit and win a big pot). We still don't know what he could have at this stage as basically we have seen a raise a continuation bet, even if they are a bit small.

Pot is now $2.85 and the turn misses our flush draw but brings the . That does not complete anything. We face another bet of $1.25 and again call. At this point he has raised preflop and has made a couple of slightly weak continuation type bets. We have now built a pot of $5.35. At these stakes it suggests he has something of a hand. He could have caught the King on the turn I guess or he could have the flush draw. he could have raised the min with a small pair and made a set. He still might have a weak hand or air.

When the Ace hits the river you make the flush. He bets a third time. OK, I now think he has a hand. At this level you see c-bets on the flop all the time. You see quite a few double barrell bluffs but when they bet the third time it usually means they have the hand on the river. You can therefore afford to raise quite strongly.I probably make it about $12 there. After he goes allin. If I had to put him on a hand of some kind I believe he has something like 2 pair, a set or some kind of flush. The range is so wide that we can't put him on the nut flush. It was also our plan to win a big pot when we called on the flop - well now we have the chance. If he has the King high flush or some silly straight flush somehow then nothing we can do but he shoves with much worse here so its a pretty easy call.
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« Reply #14 on: May 27, 2010, 12:15:13 AM »

He had the nuts

I folded.

Sigh.

Knew I mangled it!  Cheesy
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