Theoretical WSOP Question

[outragous76]

The guy has strolled over and jammed first hand. Why do we call light right now? He could go on to jam every hand and then we can readjust our calling range to a developing trend. Assigning a range first hand is based on no factual info of how villain is going to play this game? Calling all-in 1st hand on a perception of an image doesn't seem so smart. This wont be our only opportunity to snap if it carries on. Yeah, a quick easy double-up is useful, so villain can push a decent 1st hand for that very reason, and get the queue of heroes behind offering him that very thing. This may be true or it may not be true, but I wouldn't know cos he's just sat down.

this is a daft post as we know the villain and we know his M.O. If he wakes up at the top of his range we jsut have to bink - like he is trying to do -

You really have abs no idea what's going on in Tom Dwan's mind when he sits down Guy, you really don't. Guessing at something doesn't make it a truth. You know villain? How well do you know villain? You've seen him play on the telly? Passing up K high or 2-2 here isn't letting a golden opportunity slip through your fingers. Maybe you wanna try trading some balls for some brains. If I was Dwan I reckon I'd be loving moving from table to table jamming strength and getting snapped off by jokers who "know me".

erm - ( as an aside to this example, but a fact) he buys into a 10k and blinds away not playing a hand whilst deep in another tourney


back to eg

he has min £10m in props to win a bracelet

he aint gonna sit here and grind the 1500 when he is deep in a 10k - im pretty sure that his OPEN SHIPPING range is wide enough that my original raneg would be +ev agaisnt his

Therefore im going with it given all of the dynamics that are KNOWNS

True, it's possible he wants to just take a spin here. It's also possible he wants to sit down and play some good poker in this world series. Shipping a hand is good poker for Dwann. He prob lols at how good. Out of 3k people there will be so many hero donkeys wanting to take a shot...he needn't piss about playing the streets right, why waste of time? I'd be gutted if I had position on Dwann for the hour and he flipped A-K here. Truly and properly mugged off mate. How many tournaments are we playing again to make that worth the 51.2% edge?

so if the hands were turned over and he had 22 and you have AKs you wouldnt call?

[MANTIS01]

The guy has strolled over and jammed first hand. Why do we call light right now? He could go on to jam every hand and then we can readjust our calling range to a developing trend. Assigning a range first hand is based on no factual info of how villain is going to play this game? Calling all-in 1st hand on a perception of an image doesn't seem so smart. This wont be our only opportunity to snap if it carries on. Yeah, a quick easy double-up is useful, so villain can push a decent 1st hand for that very reason, and get the queue of heroes behind offering him that very thing. This may be true or it may not be true, but I wouldn't know cos he's just sat down.

this is a daft post as we know the villain and we know his M.O. If he wakes up at the top of his range we jsut have to bink - like he is trying to do -

You really have abs no idea what's going on in Tom Dwan's mind when he sits down Guy, you really don't. Guessing at something doesn't make it a truth. You know villain? How well do you know villain? You've seen him play on the telly? Passing up K high or 2-2 here isn't letting a golden opportunity slip through your fingers. Maybe you wanna try trading some balls for some brains. If I was Dwan I reckon I'd be loving moving from table to table jamming strength and getting snapped off by jokers who "know me".

erm - ( as an aside to this example, but a fact) he buys into a 10k and blinds away not playing a hand whilst deep in another tourney


back to eg

he has min £10m in props to win a bracelet

he aint gonna sit here and grind the 1500 when he is deep in a 10k - im pretty sure that his OPEN SHIPPING range is wide enough that my original raneg would be +ev agaisnt his

Therefore im going with it given all of the dynamics that are KNOWNS

True, it's possible he wants to just take a spin here. It's also possible he wants to sit down and play some good poker in this world series. Shipping a hand is good poker for Dwann. He prob lols at how good. Out of 3k people there will be so many hero donkeys wanting to take a shot...he needn't piss about playing the streets right, why waste of time? I'd be gutted if I had position on Dwann for the hour and he flipped A-K here. Truly and properly mugged off mate. How many tournaments are we playing again to make that worth the 51.2% edge?

so if the hands were turned over and he had 22 and you have AKs you wouldnt call?

I'd snap with AKs. Because I wouldn't look like a div when I flipped my cards.

[outragous76]

The guy has strolled over and jammed first hand. Why do we call light right now? He could go on to jam every hand and then we can readjust our calling range to a developing trend. Assigning a range first hand is based on no factual info of how villain is going to play this game? Calling all-in 1st hand on a perception of an image doesn't seem so smart. This wont be our only opportunity to snap if it carries on. Yeah, a quick easy double-up is useful, so villain can push a decent 1st hand for that very reason, and get the queue of heroes behind offering him that very thing. This may be true or it may not be true, but I wouldn't know cos he's just sat down.

this is a daft post as we know the villain and we know his M.O. If he wakes up at the top of his range we jsut have to bink - like he is trying to do -

You really have abs no idea what's going on in Tom Dwan's mind when he sits down Guy, you really don't. Guessing at something doesn't make it a truth. You know villain? How well do you know villain? You've seen him play on the telly? Passing up K high or 2-2 here isn't letting a golden opportunity slip through your fingers. Maybe you wanna try trading some balls for some brains. If I was Dwan I reckon I'd be loving moving from table to table jamming strength and getting snapped off by jokers who "know me".

erm - ( as an aside to this example, but a fact) he buys into a 10k and blinds away not playing a hand whilst deep in another tourney


back to eg

he has min £10m in props to win a bracelet

he aint gonna sit here and grind the 1500 when he is deep in a 10k - im pretty sure that his OPEN SHIPPING range is wide enough that my original raneg would be +ev agaisnt his

Therefore im going with it given all of the dynamics that are KNOWNS

True, it's possible he wants to just take a spin here. It's also possible he wants to sit down and play some good poker in this world series. Shipping a hand is good poker for Dwann. He prob lols at how good. Out of 3k people there will be so many hero donkeys wanting to take a shot...he needn't piss about playing the streets right, why waste of time? I'd be gutted if I had position on Dwann for the hour and he flipped A-K here. Truly and properly mugged off mate. How many tournaments are we playing again to make that worth the 51.2% edge?

so if the hands were turned over and he had 22 and you have AKs you wouldnt call?

I'd snap with AKs. Because I wouldn't look like a div when I flipped my cards.

wow - just wow

you are concerned about how you look when considering the equity of a poker decission

so if you knew he had 22 you wouldntnt call KQs because you might 'bad' in other players eyes?

[MANTIS01]

The guy has strolled over and jammed first hand. Why do we call light right now? He could go on to jam every hand and then we can readjust our calling range to a developing trend. Assigning a range first hand is based on no factual info of how villain is going to play this game? Calling all-in 1st hand on a perception of an image doesn't seem so smart. This wont be our only opportunity to snap if it carries on. Yeah, a quick easy double-up is useful, so villain can push a decent 1st hand for that very reason, and get the queue of heroes behind offering him that very thing. This may be true or it may not be true, but I wouldn't know cos he's just sat down.

this is a daft post as we know the villain and we know his M.O. If he wakes up at the top of his range we jsut have to bink - like he is trying to do -

You really have abs no idea what's going on in Tom Dwan's mind when he sits down Guy, you really don't. Guessing at something doesn't make it a truth. You know villain? How well do you know villain? You've seen him play on the telly? Passing up K high or 2-2 here isn't letting a golden opportunity slip through your fingers. Maybe you wanna try trading some balls for some brains. If I was Dwan I reckon I'd be loving moving from table to table jamming strength and getting snapped off by jokers who "know me".

erm - ( as an aside to this example, but a fact) he buys into a 10k and blinds away not playing a hand whilst deep in another tourney


back to eg

he has min £10m in props to win a bracelet

he aint gonna sit here and grind the 1500 when he is deep in a 10k - im pretty sure that his OPEN SHIPPING range is wide enough that my original raneg would be +ev agaisnt his

Therefore im going with it given all of the dynamics that are KNOWNS

True, it's possible he wants to just take a spin here. It's also possible he wants to sit down and play some good poker in this world series. Shipping a hand is good poker for Dwann. He prob lols at how good. Out of 3k people there will be so many hero donkeys wanting to take a shot...he needn't piss about playing the streets right, why waste of time? I'd be gutted if I had position on Dwann for the hour and he flipped A-K here. Truly and properly mugged off mate. How many tournaments are we playing again to make that worth the 51.2% edge?

so if the hands were turned over and he had 22 and you have AKs you wouldnt call?

I'd snap with AKs. Because I wouldn't look like a div when I flipped my cards.

wow - just wow

you are concerned about how you look when considering the equity of a poker decission

so if you knew he had 22 you wouldntnt call KQs because you might 'bad' in other players eyes?

If I called light I'd look like a div because my decision would be a shit one. You think Dwan hasn't calculated his equity in pushing before now? I'm concerned about making bad decisions. But I'd look at myself and think div for making one. It's relatively obvious I don't care how my poker looks in other people's eyes isn't it?? And A-ks plays better than 2-2 in my calculated opinion.

[outragous76]

The guy has strolled over and jammed first hand. Why do we call light right now? He could go on to jam every hand and then we can readjust our calling range to a developing trend. Assigning a range first hand is based on no factual info of how villain is going to play this game? Calling all-in 1st hand on a perception of an image doesn't seem so smart. This wont be our only opportunity to snap if it carries on. Yeah, a quick easy double-up is useful, so villain can push a decent 1st hand for that very reason, and get the queue of heroes behind offering him that very thing. This may be true or it may not be true, but I wouldn't know cos he's just sat down.

this is a daft post as we know the villain and we know his M.O. If he wakes up at the top of his range we jsut have to bink - like he is trying to do -

You really have abs no idea what's going on in Tom Dwan's mind when he sits down Guy, you really don't. Guessing at something doesn't make it a truth. You know villain? How well do you know villain? You've seen him play on the telly? Passing up K high or 2-2 here isn't letting a golden opportunity slip through your fingers. Maybe you wanna try trading some balls for some brains. If I was Dwan I reckon I'd be loving moving from table to table jamming strength and getting snapped off by jokers who "know me".

erm - ( as an aside to this example, but a fact) he buys into a 10k and blinds away not playing a hand whilst deep in another tourney


back to eg

he has min £10m in props to win a bracelet

he aint gonna sit here and grind the 1500 when he is deep in a 10k - im pretty sure that his OPEN SHIPPING range is wide enough that my original raneg would be +ev agaisnt his

Therefore im going with it given all of the dynamics that are KNOWNS

True, it's possible he wants to just take a spin here. It's also possible he wants to sit down and play some good poker in this world series. Shipping a hand is good poker for Dwann. He prob lols at how good. Out of 3k people there will be so many hero donkeys wanting to take a shot...he needn't piss about playing the streets right, why waste of time? I'd be gutted if I had position on Dwann for the hour and he flipped A-K here. Truly and properly mugged off mate. How many tournaments are we playing again to make that worth the 51.2% edge?

so if the hands were turned over and he had 22 and you have AKs you wouldnt call?

I'd snap with AKs. Because I wouldn't look like a div when I flipped my cards.

wow - just wow

you are concerned about how you look when considering the equity of a poker decission

so if you knew he had 22 you wouldntnt call KQs because you might 'bad' in other players eyes?

If I called light I'd look like a div because my decision would be a shit one. You think Dwan hasn't calculated his equity in pushing before now? I'm concerned about making bad decisions. But I'd look at myself and think div for making one. It's relatively obvious I don't care how my poker looks in other people's eyes isn't it?? And A-ks plays better than 2-2 in my calculated opinion.

answer the question - cause im pretty sure that KQs plays pretty similar to AK ( against 22)but yet you think its a different decission?

[outragous76]

and what if you had 77 and you knew he had JTo?

you see where im  going?

[MANTIS01]

I'd prob call with K-Qs if I knew he had 2-2. But I don't know he has 2-2. I do know he'd have a lot of A-x hands thou.

[The Camel]

Aha for some reason I thought I was the bb in this hand.

My bad.

[outragous76]

I'd prob call with K-Qs if I knew he had 2-2. But I don't know he has 2-2. I do know he'd have a lot of A-x hands thou.

so he has a lot of Ax hands? really? but you dont call 99 TT JJ? - you must be good because you are passing up some edge!

lets cut to the chase - what do you think his range might be?

[Cf]

I'd prob call with K-Qs if I knew he had 2-2. But I don't know he has 2-2. I do know he'd have a lot of A-x hands thou.

so he has a lot of Ax hands? really? but you dont call 99 TT JJ? - you must be good because you are passing up some edge!

lets cut to the chase - what do you think his range might be?

Very tight. He knows loads of people are gonna make donkey calls against him with 22 and the like, esp on the first hand he plays.

[The Camel]

This is how seriously Durr is taking the small events:

http://www.pokernews.com/live-reporting/2010-wsop/event-18/post.146774.htm

LOL @ just calling with KK+ and AK.

[pleno1]

I'd prob call with K-Qs if I knew he had 2-2. But I don't know he has 2-2. I do know he'd have a lot of A-x hands thou.

so he has a lot of Ax hands? really? but you dont call 99 TT JJ? - you must be good because you are passing up some edge!

lets cut to the chase - what do you think his range might be?

Very tight. He knows loads of people are gonna make donkey calls against him with 22 and the like, esp on the first hand he plays.

these people are satalite winners and like old tight nitty men.

[nirvana]

Do we know how Tom walked up to the table, did he swagger or was his gait more skater/slacker ?

[MANTIS01]

I'd prob call with K-Qs if I knew he had 2-2. But I don't know he has 2-2. I do know he'd have a lot of A-x hands thou.

so he has a lot of Ax hands? really? but you dont call 99 TT JJ? - you must be good because you are passing up some edge!

lets cut to the chase - what do you think his range might be?

My own calling range would be TT+ A-K. Like I said, I couldn't rightly figure a range for villain because he's just sat down. And because I have no reliable range I couldn't make reliable calculations. So it's unlikely I'd get my knickers in a twist ref edge %'s in this hand. Once again you address these remarks to me and not Flushy.

[outragous76]

I'd prob call with K-Qs if I knew he had 2-2. But I don't know he has 2-2. I do know he'd have a lot of A-x hands thou.

so he has a lot of Ax hands? really? but you dont call 99 TT JJ? - you must be good because you are passing up some edge!

lets cut to the chase - what do you think his range might be?

My own calling range would be TT+ A-K. Like I said, I couldn't rightly figure a range for villain because he's just sat down. And because I have no reliable range I couldn't make reliable calculations. So it's unlikely I'd get my knickers in a twist ref edge %'s in this hand. Once again you address these remarks to me and not Flushy.

well we have been having a "conversation" but my points are applicable to all.

The point is you do have some information, from media reporting, knowing dwan, having the specific set up of teh OP, so the fact that you think that you dont shows that you are limiting your own ability to make well informed decissions (i think the hand quote by Camel clearly shows that the people who think he is shipping very wide are probably correct in this instance).

I am also pretty sure that flushy doesnt make poker decission on how he "might look like a div", so you shouldnt include him within your specific reasoning, until he confirms that he would do this!