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« Reply #30 on: June 09, 2010, 01:19:16 PM »

Gurantee no one would call with 22 here.

Probably are gonna side wider than what they actually would if in the actual situation.

I would say for me 66 up and AT up, maybe KQ

I guarantee I would call in these circumstances with 22 here.

You'd honestly call a pure 50/50 shot with 60 bigs in a comp where the field is not going to be great?
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« Reply #31 on: June 09, 2010, 01:38:29 PM »

Yeah, TT+, AK, AQs sounds reasonable to me...
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« Reply #32 on: June 09, 2010, 01:51:19 PM »

Gurantee no one would call with 22 here.

Probably are gonna side wider than what they actually would if in the actual situation.

I would say for me 66 up and AT up, maybe KQ

I guarantee I would call in these circumstances with 22 here.

You'd honestly call a pure 50/50 shot with 60 bigs in a comp where the field is not going to be great?

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« Reply #33 on: June 09, 2010, 01:52:30 PM »

has he looked at his cards?
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« Reply #34 on: June 09, 2010, 01:52:51 PM »

Depends on his stack in the Stud tourney imo
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« Reply #35 on: June 09, 2010, 02:23:55 PM »

Gurantee no one would call with 22 here.

Probably are gonna side wider than what they actually would if in the actual situation.

I would say for me 66 up and AT up, maybe KQ

I guarantee I would call in these circumstances with 22 here.

You'd honestly call a pure 50/50 shot with 60 bigs in a comp where the field is not going to be great?

The advantage you get by having a double stack in these tournaments is absolutely huge.

Yes, the field is weak, but there's also at least another 10 of these tournaments to play.

In the main event my range would be AA or KK. In a 3000 runner donkament I would insta call with 22.
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« Reply #36 on: June 09, 2010, 02:27:33 PM »

Gurantee no one would call with 22 here.

Probably are gonna side wider than what they actually would if in the actual situation.

I would say for me 66 up and AT up, maybe KQ

I guarantee I would call in these circumstances with 22 here.

You'd honestly call a pure 50/50 shot with 60 bigs in a comp where the field is not going to be great?

The advantage you get by having a double stack in these tournaments is absolutely huge.

Yes, the field is weak, but there's also at least another 10 of these tournaments to play.

In the main event my range would be AA or KK. In a 3000 runner donkament I would insta call with 22.

Ok fair enough, I just dont see why when shoving>calling, we call 60 bigs instead of open shoving 59 bigs with 50% of our hands.
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« Reply #37 on: June 09, 2010, 02:35:17 PM »

The guy has strolled over and jammed first hand. Why do we call light right now? He could go on to jam every hand and then we can readjust our calling range to a developing trend. Assigning a range first hand is based on no factual info of how villain is going to play this game? Calling all-in 1st hand on a perception of an image doesn't seem so smart. This wont be our only opportunity to snap if it carries on. Yeah, a quick easy double-up is useful, so villain can push a decent 1st hand for that very reason, and get the queue of heroes behind offering him that very thing. This may be true or it may not be true, but I wouldn't know cos he's just sat down.
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« Reply #38 on: June 09, 2010, 02:46:46 PM »

has anyone come up with a durrr range. he is doing this with AA, 72o? or has he not looked at his cards?
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« Reply #39 on: June 09, 2010, 04:16:11 PM »

Ok fair enough, I just dont see why when shoving>calling, we call 60 bigs instead of open shoving 59 bigs with 50% of our hands.

shoving is not better than calling when this deep. we virtually never get called unless we're crushed. calling is great if we know we're up against atc, wp matt, everyone's going with the level, no way are you ever contemplating folding JJ here
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« Reply #40 on: June 09, 2010, 04:24:53 PM »

The guy has strolled over and jammed first hand. Why do we call light right now? He could go on to jam every hand and then we can readjust our calling range to a developing trend. Assigning a range first hand is based on no factual info of how villain is going to play this game? Calling all-in 1st hand on a perception of an image doesn't seem so smart. This wont be our only opportunity to snap if it carries on. Yeah, a quick easy double-up is useful, so villain can push a decent 1st hand for that very reason, and get the queue of heroes behind offering him that very thing. This may be true or it may not be true, but I wouldn't know cos he's just sat down.

this is a daft post as we know the villain and we know his M.O. If he wakes up at the top of his range we jsut have to bink - like he is trying to do -
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« Reply #41 on: June 09, 2010, 04:40:33 PM »

Text results appended to pokerstove.txt

   6,770,450,016  games    18.981 secs   356,696,170  games/sec

Board:
Dead: 

   equity    win    tie          pots won    pots tied   
Hand 0:    58.796%     58.36%    00.44%        3951119484     29620272.00   { 77 }
Hand 1:    41.204%     40.77%    00.44%        2760089988     29620272.00   { 22+, A2s+, K2s+, Q2s+, J2s+, T4s+, 94s+, 84s+, 74s+, 63s+, 53s+, 43s, A2o+, K8o+, Q8o+, J8o+, T8o+, 98o, 86o+, 76o }
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« Reply #42 on: June 09, 2010, 04:49:14 PM »

tighter range

Text results appended to pokerstove.txt

   5,023,899,936  games    13.883 secs   361,874,230  games/sec

Board:
Dead: 

   equity    win    tie          pots won    pots tied   
Hand 0:    56.950%     56.50%    00.45%        2838568896     22537380.00   { 77 }
Hand 1:    43.050%     42.60%    00.45%        2140256280     22537380.00   { 22+, A2s+, K9s+, Q9s+, J8s+, T8s+, 97s+, 86s+, 75s+, 64s+, 54s, A2o+, K9o+, Q9o+, J9o+, T9o, 98o, 86o+, 76o }
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« Reply #43 on: June 09, 2010, 05:39:26 PM »

Depends on his stack in the Stud tourney imo

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« Reply #44 on: June 09, 2010, 05:41:02 PM »

The guy has strolled over and jammed first hand. Why do we call light right now? He could go on to jam every hand and then we can readjust our calling range to a developing trend. Assigning a range first hand is based on no factual info of how villain is going to play this game? Calling all-in 1st hand on a perception of an image doesn't seem so smart. This wont be our only opportunity to snap if it carries on. Yeah, a quick easy double-up is useful, so villain can push a decent 1st hand for that very reason, and get the queue of heroes behind offering him that very thing. This may be true or it may not be true, but I wouldn't know cos he's just sat down.

this is a daft post as we know the villain and we know his M.O. If he wakes up at the top of his range we jsut have to bink - like he is trying to do -

You really have abs no idea what's going on in Tom Dwan's mind when he sits down Guy, you really don't. Guessing at something doesn't make it a truth. You know villain? How well do you know villain? You've seen him play on the telly? Passing up K high or 2-2 here isn't letting a golden opportunity slip through your fingers. Maybe you wanna try trading some balls for some brains. If I was Dwan I reckon I'd be loving moving from table to table jamming strength and getting snapped off by jokers who "know me".
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