APAT Scottish Championship Hand

[StuartHopkin]

If you dont have a stack though you have a small pile.

[BulldozerD]

fwiw - I probably would have folded the AK if the caller had shoved rather than called, this might also be a leak.

meh this is irrelevant especially with stack sizes, cos he isn't going to fold to many shoves over the top anyway. In fact in some spots, the flat call can be scarier than the shove to isolate

[Rod]

fwiw - I probably would have folded the AK if the caller had shoved rather than called, this might also be a leak.

meh this is irrelevant especially with stack sizes, cos he isn't going to fold to many shoves over the top anyway. In fact in some spots, the flat call can be scarier than the shove to isolate

It's relevant due to the way the tournaments play. AA or KK is a large part of the re-shoving range. He is less likely to flat with it. I understand what you mean though and flatting would not be a bad play, however I really put him on a worse ace. This means that even if the original raiser has a pair and I miss I am still in the tournament and only loose about 20K on the hand and can still come back.

This may well be flawed thinking which is the whole point of me making the thread. I guess that you think that even if it is for all of my chips I still call?

[BulldozerD]

playing any hand at this stage in this spot is for all your chips

[MANTIS01]

Seat 2 must push fairly wide here because he has a paltry 48k and at 11k per short-handed round he's dust if he doesn't. At this stage his tight image affords him decent FE. With only 70k yourself, a pretty flat payout structure, villain 1 pushing wide, and figuring villain 2 is crushed this is an easy jam imo.

Very nice presentation btw.

[TightEnd]

I was watching this hand


Jack is a solid tight player. He has though got into pushing mode the last few orbits.

The flat caller, the 18yo eventual winner, has a big stack.

You've got to think AK is ahead of him, so at worst you've got a favourites chance for the sidepot which is pushable/playable if need be

and a chance to scoop the lot against Jack..racing most likely or maybe ahead there too


I thought it was a clear push by you Steve/Rod



btw Rod, Jack has pushed and Scott is dwelling with his AQ. You could not have looked more excited if I had paraded Kelly Brook in front of you with her saying "take me now big boy"

Fortunately for you Scott did not look over at you, but if he had he'd have passed I think 


Just something to bear in mind for next time. Look at your cards when the action gets to you not before if you have to.

[Rod]

I was watching this hand


Jack is a solid tight player. He has though got into pushing mode the last few orbits.

The flat caller, the 18yo eventual winner, has a big stack.

You've got to think AK is ahead of him, so at worst you've got a favourites chance for the sidepot which is pushable/playable if need be

and a chance to scoop the lot against Jack..racing most likely or maybe ahead there too


I thought it was a clear push by you Steve/Rod



btw Rod, Jack has pushed and Scott is dwelling with his AQ. You could not have looked more excited if I had paraded Kelly Brook in front of you with her saying "take me now big boy"

Fortunately for you Scott did not look over at you, but if he had he'd have passed I think 


Just something to bear in mind for next time. Look at your cards when the action gets to you not before if you have to.

Do you want to test that Kelly Brook theory at some time :-)

Until you said this I had not thought about it - The way I looked during the hand I mean (not Kelly Brook). Lesson learnt then, I am still fairly new to live poker, had not really played a serious live tournament before Janurary this year (just some crapshoot at local casino / snooker clubs) so having to learn quite a lot of them :-)

Hope I am getting there though.

[technolog]

Ah, the Kelly Brook Paradox.

If she had been in the general vicinity of the Nash saying 'take me now big boy', I wouldn't have pushed in the first place. Least, not in Steve's direction.

[BlueN0se]

Surely seat 2 even from your description has to be jamming a range which we are considerably ahead of and the flat call just gives us a greater incentive to jam?

What are you reasons for considering not getting it in?  Even if someone has a pair and one of your ace or kings is gone the price you are getting is way too good to pass up?

This seems like a spot where Im really pretty happt to be getting it in when you state the f range as AQ-AT.

[Rod]

Surely seat 2 even from your description has to be jamming a range which we are considerably ahead of and the flat call just gives us a greater incentive to jam?

What are you reasons for considering not getting it in?  Even if someone has a pair and one of your ace or kings is gone the price you are getting is way too good to pass up?

This seems like a spot where Im really pretty happy to be getting it in when you state the f range as AQ-AT.

I think the fact the price is way too good to pass up is the key point. After I put the caller in a good ace I have to put the allin on a pair of some sort. The fact that a side pot (of about 50K) would be created made it a reasonably easy push I suppose and if I win the hand I have almost 200K in chips. I am also very interested to know if the answer changes if the original raiser has more chips than me? Reading this thread and looking at the maths it is still a clear call? A couple of very good players have suggested to me this is a fold if there is no side pot?

[Foggy]

Ah, the Kelly Brook Paradox.

If she had been in the general vicinity of the Nash saying 'take me now big boy', I wouldn't have pushed in the first place. Least, not in Steve's direction.

Thought you'd lost weight?

[technolog]

I'd like to argue it would be for other reasons but it would be an out and out lie.