JJ UTG on a new table

[bobAlike]

Game: £500 +50 ME GUKPT Summer Series Walsall

Blinds 400/800 Antes 75

20 players remain, my table gets broken and I get moved. First hand and I'm under the gun and get dealt JJ I raise
to 4.2k from a 26k stack, mid position flats (known capable aggressive player) from a 30+k stack, passed round to the button who thinks and thinks then pushes all in with 20k.
Never seen this young player before (looked like Screech from Saved by the bell).
After a 10 second think I fold.
Now my thoughts were (a) wasn't happy about the flat call from the mid position, thought he may be holding premium cards and (b) I couldn't take the screech lookalike seriously but felt that his nervous look could be just inexperience.

Any thoughts welcome.

[celtic]

Raise less pre, fold to shove.

[GreekStein]

Why are you raising more than 5x pre!?

[outragous76]

terrible raise pre - make it 2k

probs a fold - but that said if ive got 4.2 in there i might call

[bobAlike]

The standard of play at my previous table was pretty tez and the 5x raise was pretty much what it took to get a fold and when I raised I pretty much just carried over with me.

I agree the raise was wrong I was also happy with the fold until after the hand a couple of regs told me Screech was shoving more than anyone else on the table.

What miffed me about my fold was that after that he shoved loads more times and within an hour was a monster chip leader.....




....and I bubbled 

[ChipRich]

Why are you raising more than 5x pre!?

terrible raise pre - make it 2k

This^


But once youve made it 4.2k and theres a flat, once he jams for 20k we gotta get this in.

but im shite, and i dont even have a fkin flag so wtf do i know

[celtic]

Why are you raising more than 5x pre!?

terrible raise pre - make it 2k

This^


But once youve made it 4.2k and theres a flat, once he jams for 20k we gotta get this in.

but im shite, and i dont even have a fkin flag so wtf do i know

lol Rich.

[GreekStein]

The standard of play at my previous table was pretty tez and the 5x raise was pretty much what it took to get a fold and when I raised I pretty much just carried over with me.

This is flawed thinking. A lot of people think this way too.

Why do you not want people to call when you have this hand?

[George2Loose]

If people weren't folding to 5*ing would u then start 9xing or shoving?

Never folding FWIW with your raise size he could be jamming hella wide. You hand doesn't actually look as strong as it is. God knows what geezer behind is flatting with.

[pleno1]

raise less pre, snap now.

[StuartHopkin]

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[ChipRich]

Why are you raising more than 5x pre!?

terrible raise pre - make it 2k

This^


But once youve made it 4.2k and theres a flat, once he jams for 20k we gotta get this in.

but im shite, and i dont even have a fkin flag so wtf do i know

lol Rich.

lol, had to be said i think.

[bobAlike]

The standard of play at my previous table was pretty tez and the 5x raise was pretty much what it took to get a fold and when I raised I pretty much just carried over with me.

This is flawed thinking. A lot of people think this way too.

Why do you not want people to call when you have this hand?

I agree that it was flawed thinking for the new table but the original table was very weak and many blinds and antes were won like this. Is this still flawed thinking in this scenario?
I don't mind anyone calling just not too happy with people shoving over the top

[bobAlike]

If people weren't folding to 5*ing would u then start 9xing or shoving?

Never folding FWIW with your raise size he could be jamming hella wide. You hand doesn't actually look as strong as it is. God knows what geezer behind is flatting with.

Not sure really, depends on table make up. Now I'm confused.

Not sure what the flatter had, that's why I ultimately folded. Unfortunately he folded too.

[pleno1]

you're gettinf over 2.5/1 immediate.

he has 20bbs, there's been a raise (allbeit a large one from ep and a flat call) it's a protected pot and if he wins it uncontested he adds over 50% to his stack, he'l be shoving pretty wide I think.


Text results appended to pokerstove.txt

   1,797,919,200  games     5.376 secs   334,434,375  games/sec

Board:
Dead: 

   equity    win    tie          pots won    pots tied   
Hand 0:    63.393%     62.87%    00.52%        1130373528      9376542.00   { JJ }
Hand 1:    36.607%     36.09%    00.52%         648792588      9376542.00   { 55+, A2s+, KQs, QJs, JTs, T9s, 98s, 87s, ATo+, KQo }


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maybe a liiiitle bit wide, but you could add all broadways too, left out q10s etc, I think this is the most ridic standard call.