JJ UTG on a new table

[Sack it off]

My advice is don't go playing pots with Jeff Williams

[StuartHopkin]

The standard of play at my previous table was pretty tez and the 5x raise was pretty much what it took to get a fold and when I raised I pretty much just carried over with me.

This is flawed thinking. A lot of people think this way too.

Why do you not want people to call when you have this hand?

I agree that it was flawed thinking for the new table but the original table was very weak and many blinds and antes were won like this. Is this still flawed thinking in this scenario?
I don't mind anyone calling just not too happy with people shoving over the top

Yep

Never get caught up in the 5x crowd its just plain bad.

[action man]

what credit crunch?

[Cf]

ewwww, sorry, don't like it at all.

The raise size is terrible. We have pocket jacks. We don't want to pick up the blinds/antes - we want action. We somehow now have action - get it in.

[bobAlike]

Cheers all for the advice.
I've taken it all onboard.

Summary
Don't raise 5x Pre
Don't be a pussy and get it in facing an all in shove from apriced in shover.

Thanks again

[MANTIS01]

Yeah mate, 2.2k UTG for me. 5x is bad because you don't know what any further action will mean as it's 1st hand at this table, so it's an expensive way to find out nothing at all. Obv your aspirations to take the blinds rather than get action need to be addressed, as does implementing stuff that worked from last table at this new table. Don't mind flat calling UTG either.

[GreekStein]

Don't mind flat calling UTG either.

lol, why?

[MANTIS01]

Don't mind flat calling UTG either.

lol, why?

Because the game is shallow, the SPR will be realistically forcing us to commit if we get raised, is the table loose or tight? guessing with jacks for our stack 1st hand at a new table is tez, we have zero info so we don't have any ranges for any player so can't actually make an informed decision, we will be oop in the hand, limping disguises the strength of our hand, limping may encourage a ss to jam and we can snap, we can choose to raise if our limp is raised or see a flop cheaper than a 3bet pot. So quite a few reasons why I don't mind it as an alternative 1st hand at a new table. Why lol?

[GreekStein]

Don't mind flat calling UTG either.

lol, why?

Because the game is shallow, the SPR will be realistically forcing us to commit if we get raised, is the table loose or tight? guessing with jacks for our stack 1st hand at a new table is tez, we have zero info so we don't have any ranges for any player so can't actually make an informed decision, we will be oop in the hand, limping disguises the strength of our hand, limping may encourage a ss to jam and we can snap, we can choose to raise if our limp is raised or see a flop cheaper than a 3bet pot. So quite a few reasons why I don't mind it as an alternative 1st hand at a new table. Why lol?

'lol' because i think it's terrible.

[ChipRich]

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[MC]

Obviously raise less pre as has been said, definitely re-shoving here...

[outragous76]

Don't mind flat calling UTG either.

lol, why?

Because the game is shallow, the SPR will be realistically forcing us to commit if we get raised, is the table loose or tight? guessing with jacks for our stack 1st hand at a new table is tez, we have zero info so we don't have any ranges for any player so can't actually make an informed decision, we will be oop in the hand, limping disguises the strength of our hand, limping may encourage a ss to jam and we can snap, we can choose to raise if our limp is raised or see a flop cheaper than a 3bet pot. So quite a few reasons why I don't mind it as an alternative 1st hand at a new table. Why lol?

im struggling to fold a Jack with another Jack off this stack - and im certainly not going to find reasons to do it by limping utg just because i have just sat down

you can trade off a "he is trying to set the tone" image by raising the 1st hand and hope to find teh "ill put you in your place player" at the same time

[StuartHopkin]

It is shallow

Raise+Snap>>>>Open Fold>>>>Limp

[bobAlike]

Obviously raise less pre as has been said, definitely re-shoving here...

Would you still re-shove if original raise was 2.5x?

[pleno1]

Is it ok to have a limp/call/raise range utg?