JJ UTG on a new table

[outragous76]

Is it ok to have a limp/call/raise range utg ever, especially when you have less than 80bb's??

fyp and the answer is no!

[MANTIS01]

The answer isn't no. If a couple of other players have say 10bbs then limping with these blinds and antes can prompt a shove where a raise would prompt a fold. That's just one example.

[byronkincaid]

neil channing writes that he limps a lot and gets LOLed at by everyone but he seems to do OK

[Free_Rollin]

neil channing writes that he limps a lot and gets LOLed at by everyone but he seems to do OK

I played with him at GUKPT London back in March, and yeah, he was doing it a lot. I was probably on his table for like an hour or two before getting moved, and this was on day 2, with about 50 people left and around 36 were getting paid. I thought it was really strange, and not sure why he was limping from both early position and late position.

He obviously thinks his strength is much greater post flop rather than pre, but I really can't say I think this was effective? Think Toby was on his table for much longer than I was, maybe if he sees this thread he can comment on it.

edit to add: lol, Neil finished 2nd btw, and I bubbled.

[outragous76]

neil channing has far superior skills post flop to most players

limping pre is usually bad

middy tells me not to
middy is greater than most
ill stick with middy thanks

but seriously - my jape aside, limping pre with JJ here is pretty bad. How are you looking to proceed if ur 10bb stacks limp too?

the standard as described in OP is terribad (i mean generally - not the OP) - and as such raise and play the hand for value - dont flat and self level.

Players this bad are not jamming ATC and hoping they have fold equity - infact if they are reading this they didnt understand that last line

[GreekStein]

He limps loads when stacks are deep. You won't see Neil just chucking blinds in when he's 30 bigs deep.

However, Neil does it with his entire range which is ok if that's what you are doing and you have the post flop skills he does to be able to do it effectively.

Limping UTG with big hands is generally what bad players who play too much live poker do. They think it disguises their hand when in fact it does the opposite.

[MANTIS01]

He limps loads when stacks are deep. You won't see Neil just chucking blinds in when he's 30 bigs deep.

However, Neil does it with his entire range which is ok if that's what you are doing and you have the post flop skills he does to be able to do it effectively.

Limping UTG with big hands is generally what bad players who play too much live poker do. They think it disguises their hand when in fact it does the opposite.

My second example of why limping UTG is profitable in live poker is because players who know just enough always put you on the nuts when you limp.

[GreekStein]

He limps loads when stacks are deep. You won't see Neil just chucking blinds in when he's 30 bigs deep.

However, Neil does it with his entire range which is ok if that's what you are doing and you have the post flop skills he does to be able to do it effectively.

Limping UTG with big hands is generally what bad players who play too much live poker do. They think it disguises their hand when in fact it does the opposite.

My second example of why limping UTG is profitable in live poker is because players who know just enough always put you on the nuts when you limp.

LOL.

According to your hendon mob, you don't look like a winning player, so what do you know about profitable plays?

[StuartHopkin]

He limps loads when stacks are deep. You won't see Neil just chucking blinds in when he's 30 bigs deep.

However, Neil does it with his entire range which is ok if that's what you are doing and you have the post flop skills he does to be able to do it effectively.

Limping UTG with big hands is generally what bad players who play too much live poker do. They think it disguises their hand when in fact it does the opposite.

My second example of why limping UTG is profitable in live poker is because players who know just enough always put you on the nuts when you limp.

LOL.

According to your hendon mob, you don't look like a winning player, so what do you know about profitable plays?

Burn

[NigDawG]

im all for people opening 5x and folding to the squeeze all in 

also lol at some of the replies itt