Summer Pudding

[TightEnd]

Live £60 MTT

38 runners

Early days, blinds 100-200


UTG limps 9,000 stack Unknown before today, but solid on two levels evidence

Button limps 9,000 stack. A basic TAG, not making moves

Hero checks BB with    11,000 stack

Pot 600

flop 

Hero leads for 400, called in both spots. (Build a pot for impending binkage, probably 4 bet shove if raised by many)

Pot 2,000

turn 

Hero leads for 1,500

Flatted by UTG, Button makes it 3,000


Now?


Would you check to check raise on flop?

How do you play the turn?

[paulhouk03]

never folding

shoving his raise


i would play it the same

[action man]

c/c c/r turn

[StuartHopkin]

I like leading the flop, I like a call now.

[MC]

I like leading the flop, I like a call now.

+1

[GreekStein]

I call here and call again on riv

[EvilPie]

Once you've lead flop you have to lead this brick looking turn.

I don't particularly like flatting now tbh. We're never passing no matter what the river brings and we need to find a way of getting the lot in.

We're oop so we might as well 3 bet now. Min raise just to tilt them both if you like or just make it 5.5k

They won't have a clue what's going on.

Jam is probably fine too.

I don't think you can really play this wrong tbh. If you think you're up against fish then just raise if you think they're nits flat but they probably don't pay you on the river.

If you had position there's a lot more thinking to be done but oop just do what feels right at the time and hope they have a hand to come along for the ride.

[StuartHopkin]

Surely raising here looks like we have pocket quads?

[outragous76]

get it in on the turn as played to now.

he prob has 67 and will struggle to fold - as he has card removal on the 6 and 7, so he can remove those sets from your range - there is zero chance of you having KK, so he can take that out of your range, and you arent playing 33 by leading the flop, so why would he fold 2pr? - he might think you have a fd and a pair or a huge combo like 89dd.

There is pretty much no way he can fold 67 here - and therefore I look to get it in now.

AS for his other holdings? Well he could have the 66 or 77, but thats just a cooler and you have outs.

[EvilPie]

Surely raising here looks like we have pocket quads?

What do you think flatting looks like?

Our hand is going to look strong now whatever happens.

We either get the lot here in a cooler or we lose the lot in a cooler.

There's no point in pot control oop as the river bet is already clearly an all in which we have to call.

I assume we want as many chips in the middle as possible? To me this just looks like one of those where it's either all going in or it's not.

The river isn't likely to change much for anyone unless a blue card comes and I think that's more likely to kill our action than make it.

[StuartHopkin]

get it in on the turn as played to now.

he prob has 67 and will struggle to fold - as he has card removal on the 6 and 7, so he can remove those sets from your range - there is zero chance of you having KK, so he can take that out of your range, and you arent playing 33 by leading the flop, so why would he fold 2pr? - he might think you have a fd and a pair or a huge combo like 89dd.

There is pretty much no way he can fold 67 here - and therefore I look to get it in now.

AS for his other holdings? Well he could have the 66 or 77, but thats just a cooler and you have outs.

What does the other guy have?

[StuartHopkin]

Once you've lead flop you have to lead this brick looking turn.

I don't particularly like flatting now tbh. We're never passing no matter what the river brings and we need to find a way of getting the lot in.

We're oop so we might as well 3 bet now. Min raise just to tilt them both if you like or just make it 5.5k

They won't have a clue what's going on.

Jam is probably fine too.

I don't think you can really play this wrong tbh. If you think you're up against fish then just raise if you think they're nits flat but they probably don't pay you on the river.

If you had position there's a lot more thinking to be done but oop just do what feels right at the time and hope they have a hand to come along for the ride.

Yeah it looks strong flatting but were more likely to keep both in for the river.

[EvilPie]

Once you've lead flop you have to lead this brick looking turn.

I don't particularly like flatting now tbh. We're never passing no matter what the river brings and we need to find a way of getting the lot in.

We're oop so we might as well 3 bet now. Min raise just to tilt them both if you like or just make it 5.5k

They won't have a clue what's going on.

Jam is probably fine too.

I don't think you can really play this wrong tbh. If you think you're up against fish then just raise if you think they're nits flat but they probably don't pay you on the river.

If you had position there's a lot more thinking to be done but oop just do what feels right at the time and hope they have a hand to come along for the ride.

Yeah it looks strong flatting but were more likely to keep both in for the river.

So how do we extract max value on the river. If we had position it wouldn't be a problem but once we check and look strong we're struggling to find a way to get the lot.

[GreekStein]

Doing a flat cawl could look like we have a draw.

[TightEnd]

ok so conflicting views

Once an ABC player has min raised the turn I am thinking he has a made hand. All I can think is 66,77,76. Unlikely but K6, K7

I think I am behind to the button, but obv I have plenty of outs to beat that hand and get paid, and his min raise has given me a price to hit

I call, intending to check river if I miss and evaluate to action from there


I would be interested to get thoughts on whether this thinking is too nitty. I suspect EvilPie would say it was


UTG then calls, which I did not give much thought to until it happened lol.


the Pot is now 11,000


River 

I check

UTG, who to be frank I haven't given as much attention to as the button, leads for 2,800. A small bet. I am trying to think what he has. Maybe he has a made hand too

Button calls.

So 16,600 in the pot and 2,800 and a humungous price on the over-call

However an over-call, and my read is I must behind to a set, somewhere.

I fold


They show hands to follow


Fire away.