Live Cash

[Q8Holds]

I was playing cash at my local casino [cardiff] on the friday.
Id bought in for £70 + a further £50 The blinds were 1:1, my table image was tight.
Villan; Newish to the table only been playing for 1hour...but rebought a good 3-4 times for £40 he hadnt really showed any agresive action but just donked off his chips calling stupid hands preflop... This was his first raise/re-raise since being at the table. [Hes on my left]


Hero;£400
Villan;£380

Hero; 3 limp callers preflop i make it £7
Vilan; makes it £28
Hero: Calls [Just us 2 in the pot now]

Flop; 

Hero;Checks
Villan;Bets £30
Hero;raises £30+£50
Villan makes it £30+£50+70
Hero;Folds

I folded because the only 2 hands i could really put him on that i was beating was ak of spades, maybe aj?!?! and QQ, Also i knew that he wasnt going away so all the chips would be in by the river

I played this hand pretty badly imo

[Cf]

4bet pre/get it in.

Shove flop.

Never fold. If he's got AA/JJ then unlucky, you've just been coolered. Raise/folding KK on that flop is burning money.

[Cf]

Also. If we assign him a range of only:

AKss/AJ/QQ that you beat, or
AA/JJ that beats you

You should still get it in. There's more combinations of hands in the upper line than in the lower line. And we assume he calls with all (maybe not QQ but you say he's a donk who likes to call off his chips...)

[SuuPRlim]

live cash games house the some of the spazziest fucked up hands and thought processes of anyone anywhere in any walk of poker and for these reasons folding here is bad.

just slightly more forward planning from the hand is needed, when you c/r flop what is the intention? to value town a jack to make him spazz off or to make him fold something? If you want to play a big pot c/raise if you want to play a smaller pot c/call those are the only two options imo.

[Q8Holds]

I havent been playing long [only 3-4months ] so thank you for all your views/advice, Yeh idk what i was really trying to achieve by flatting preflop or re raising and folding to a 3bet..
my gut was telling me he had AA and normally ill go against my gut and theyll flip over AA This time i went with it and got it wrong [He flipped over QQ]

a little o/t does anyone know any good books on how to play cash

[SuuPRlim]

I havent been playing long [only 3-4months ] so thank you for all your views/advice, Yeh idk what i was really trying to achieve by flatting preflop or re raising and folding to a 3bet..
my gut was telling me he had AA and normally ill go against my gut and theyll flip over AA This time i went with it and got it wrong [He flipped over QQ]

a little o/t does anyone know any good books on how to play cash

No, Ive never read any good books tbh. when your playing so much deeper than you do in a tourney its really crucial to think ahead and plan as far as you can, because otherwise you get into really shit spots where your only out is a marginal call/fold/shove that is expensive and high varience.

gl

[DMorgan]

raise bigger pre, at least £10. We have KK and live cash players playing 1-1 are massive stations preflop.

Once we get 3bet, loving this spot because people almost never 3bet/folding. I make it £80.

As played I check raise a bit bigger and shove over the flop 3bet.

[SuuPRlim]

raise bigger pre, at least £10. We have KK and live cash players playing 1-1 are massive stations preflop.

Once we get 3bet, loving this spot because people almost never 3bet/folding. I make it £80.

As played I check raise a bit bigger and shove over the flop 3bet.

+1

[kinboshi]

4bet pre/get it in.

Shove flop.

Never fold. If he's got AA/JJ then unlucky, you've just been coolered. Raise/folding KK on that flop is burning money.

As Cf said, if the other player has AA or has flopped a set, then that's unfortunate and you sigh and reload. 

It might be that you were playing scared as you'd managed to get your stack up to four buyins and you didn't want to lose it all in one hand.  If that's the case, you really should be getting up and walking away from the table rather than playing on worried that you might lose it all.  I'm not saying that 's the case, but as you said you've only been playing a short while it might apply here.

As an aside, what is the maximum buy-in at this table (if there is one), and why did you buy-in for £70?  70xBBs is a horrible amount to have in front of you, as you're neither short-stacked nor properly stacked to play through the streets.  You really want to have 100xBBs or more in front of you ideally.

[Q8Holds]

Max buy-in=£150  and £70 +50 seems to suit me... as i am a self confessed below par cash player...but i get away with it in the 1:1 games , i really want a good book or online guide rather than learning the hard way... As i just play normally how i play in a tournament and dont take into account how much looser people play and how they will chase

[Rod]

Which casino is it? Les Croupiers?

After his 3-Bet, I would put him on a range of AK or AQ and probably most pocket pairs say 77+ (this is a very tight range). I am a massive favourite so I want to get as much money as I can in before the flop. I also going to shove any flop that does not contain an Ace. Don't know what I do if an Ace flops. I would also raise more than £7 but that has already been said. Preflop I would 4-Bet make it £100. I call if he shoves.

As played on the flop we have a pot of about £60 and he bets £30 into it. This is half the pot and looks like a continuaion bet. Your raise could be a bit bigger. There is now £90 in the pot. I still reckon to be in front so I probably make it £130 and charge him to draw out on me. If he calls I put him most likely on a Jack or QQ (AA is also possible but I think JJ raises) and shove the turn on him.

As played When he 3-Bets preflop here I am starting to doubt my one pair is good. I must admit I play a lot more online cash than live cash but I just don't see many people doing this with a hand that one pair beats. It is close but I think it might just be a fold. If you think the rest of the chips are going in anyway then you have to either shove or fold here. I am leaning towards a fold. OK, I am wrong in this case but still think its a fold. TBH I fold here as well against an unknown.

One thing that might help here though. You say that the villan had bought in a few times for £40 and had just donked off his chips. I assume you meant he bought in for £150 to start with and topped up by £40 a few times. At the start of this hand though he has £380. How did he win the chips?

As for books, I reckon you have the right idea already. You gain more by dicussing hands with friends and on forums than by reading a book. Read the PHA board here and you won't go far wrong I have not seen much better advice on the games that currently run in the UK

GL

[Q8Holds]

Yes les coruipers and i think he originally bought in for £60 then re bought for £40-60 a few times because he called preflop when he had none/very little pot commitment. when the action had been raise re raise he would call with j9 + low pp, but he hadn't really had any positive action. He then went on a run of hands where he got paid to get up to £400 odd

Thank you everyone for your advice/feedback

[pleno1]

i dont think aq+ 77+ is a "very tight range" in a live cash game.

[Rod]

i dont think aq+ 77+ is a "very tight range" in a live cash game.

What 3-Betting? Really. Have not played a massive amount of live cash this year but played a fair bit around a fair few locations, probably most at Les Croupiers though. You see a lot of very loose calls but three betting light is not exactly prolific at £1/£1 or £1/£0.50?

[pleno1]

i dont think aq+ 77+ is a "very tight range" in a live cash game.

What 3-Betting? Really. Have not played a massive amount of live cash this year but played a fair bit around a fair few locations, probably most at Les Croupiers though. You see a lot of very loose calls but three betting light is not exactly prolific at £1/£1 or £1/£0.50?

thats my point?