Continuation Bets?

[George2Loose]

You have totally confused me.

I'm pretty sure that most of the top MTT players in the world:

Open their entire range (bar a few exceptions)

C-bet probably 80% of the time

Have success doing so.

Not saying you should look at re-adjusting- the game is always ebbing and flowing just that raising c-bets esp at lower limits probably isn't a great strategy. Just a needless spew

[StuartHopkin]

There are times when players who figure they have the best hand are betting 50-80% too obv . I'm just saying, sometimes combined with other factors like soul reads etc, it's just more likely.
Been playing a lot of 'Rush' over the last few weeks, just been one long stream of cbets.

There's probably a diff in c-bet sizes between online and live too.

OP, I think a lot of players find themselves asking your question too. They figure..well I have AK, nice hand, raise 3xbb, 2 callers, missed flop, must bet. Well maybe it's time to start looking at the preflop bet too and what you hoped to gain by doing it, even in position. You get a lot of it early doors in STTs, spunking chips imo.

Are you saying we shouldnt raise pre with an Ace and a King?

[outragous76]

To Stuart hopkin, obv not, we only have ace high, it's a drawing hand.

[StuartHopkin]

To outragous76: What the hell is he talking about? I bet he limps when he has an ace and another ace so he gets value in the pot.

[TightPaulFolds]

There are times when players who figure they have the best hand are betting 50-80% too obv . I'm just saying, sometimes combined with other factors like soul reads etc, it's just more likely.
Been playing a lot of 'Rush' over the last few weeks, just been one long stream of cbets.

There's probably a diff in c-bet sizes between online and live too.

OP, I think a lot of players find themselves asking your question too. They figure..well I have AK, nice hand, raise 3xbb, 2 callers, missed flop, must bet. Well maybe it's time to start looking at the preflop bet too and what you hoped to gain by doing it, even in position. You get a lot of it early doors in STTs, spunking chips imo.

Are you saying we shouldnt raise pre with an Ace and a King?

Yes, I'm saying sometimes you should just limp. No offence, but just because you read about 'premium starting hands' and 3 bb raising in some poker book doesn't mean you have to do it every time. Think for yourself a bit?

[StuartHopkin]

There are times when players who figure they have the best hand are betting 50-80% too obv . I'm just saying, sometimes combined with other factors like soul reads etc, it's just more likely.
Been playing a lot of 'Rush' over the last few weeks, just been one long stream of cbets.

There's probably a diff in c-bet sizes between online and live too.

OP, I think a lot of players find themselves asking your question too. They figure..well I have AK, nice hand, raise 3xbb, 2 callers, missed flop, must bet. Well maybe it's time to start looking at the preflop bet too and what you hoped to gain by doing it, even in position. You get a lot of it early doors in STTs, spunking chips imo.

Are you saying we shouldnt raise pre with an Ace and a King?

Yes, I'm saying sometimes you should just limp. No offence, but just because you read about 'premium starting hands' and 3 bb raising in some poker book doesn't mean you have to do it every time. Think for yourself a bit?

Nice quoting skills, almost as nice as your thinking skills.
I like to raise with hands that are likely to result in me winning the pot.
Admittedly if your playing in your local (I cant imagine your skillz have got you much further) limping every hand is probably what you all do.

[TightPaulFolds]

There are times when players who figure they have the best hand are betting 50-80% too obv . I'm just saying, sometimes combined with other factors like soul reads etc, it's just more likely.
Been playing a lot of 'Rush' over the last few weeks, just been one long stream of cbets.

There's probably a diff in c-bet sizes between online and live too.

OP, I think a lot of players find themselves asking your question too. They figure..well I have AK, nice hand, raise 3xbb, 2 callers, missed flop, must bet. Well maybe it's time to start looking at the preflop bet too and what you hoped to gain by doing it, even in position. You get a lot of it early doors in STTs, spunking chips imo.

Are you saying we shouldnt raise pre with an Ace and a King?

Yes, I'm saying sometimes you should just limp. No offence, but just because you read about 'premium starting hands' and 3 bb raising in some poker book doesn't mean you have to do it every time. Think for yourself a bit?

Nice quoting skills, almost as nice as your thinking skills.
I like to raise with hands that are likely to result in me winning the pot.
Admittedly if your playing in your local (I cant imagine your skillz have got you much further) limping every hand is probably what you all do.

You're only likely to win the pot if someone doesn't put you on AK straight away and see through your crappy 60% c-bet on a 392 flop.

Notice the way I use 'You're' for 'you+are'. 'Your' is reserved for 'Of you'.
I do play a lot in my local but I have also played several large tournaments live also and have won several thousand pounds, I could lend you some for grammar lessons.
There is nothing wrong with limping and keeping the pot small, I take $$$ off fish like you every night with this kind of play.

[StuartHopkin]

There are times when players who figure they have the best hand are betting 50-80% too obv . I'm just saying, sometimes combined with other factors like soul reads etc, it's just more likely.
Been playing a lot of 'Rush' over the last few weeks, just been one long stream of cbets.

There's probably a diff in c-bet sizes between online and live too.

OP, I think a lot of players find themselves asking your question too. They figure..well I have AK, nice hand, raise 3xbb, 2 callers, missed flop, must bet. Well maybe it's time to start looking at the preflop bet too and what you hoped to gain by doing it, even in position. You get a lot of it early doors in STTs, spunking chips imo.

Are you saying we shouldnt raise pre with an Ace and a King?

Yes, I'm saying sometimes you should just limp. No offence, but just because you read about 'premium starting hands' and 3 bb raising in some poker book doesn't mean you have to do it every time. Think for yourself a bit?

Nice quoting skills, almost as nice as your thinking skills.
I like to raise with hands that are likely to result in me winning the pot.
Admittedly if your playing in your local (I cant imagine your skillz have got you much further) limping every hand is probably what you all do.

You're only likely to win the pot if someone doesn't put you on AK straight away and see through your crappy 60% c-bet on a 392 flop.

Notice the way I use 'You're' for 'you+are'. 'Your' is reserved for 'Of you'.
I do play a lot in my local but I have also played several large tournaments live also and have won several thousand pounds, I could lend you some for grammar lessons.
There is nothing wrong with limping and keeping the pot small, I take $$$ off fish like you every night with this kind of play.

Surely if we play our big hands that hit the same as those that dont it makes it very hard for oppo to define our hand.
Personally I love to bet exactly 60% of the pot, I sometimes carry a calculator though because like my grammar my maths skills are poor.

Inspite my poor grammar and maths skills, I seem to do okay in life and have had a few wins at the pokerz to boot.

I would suggest you save your hard won $$ and learn some of the fundamental concepts of the game. Maybe Mantis would be willing to give you some pointers on your game, and El Sid could help you stop thinking like a prat.

I look forward to meeting you at somepoint, I will be interested to see your gay limpfest in action.

Personally I think your just another limp folding twat.

[TightPaulFolds]

There are times when players who figure they have the best hand are betting 50-80% too obv . I'm just saying, sometimes combined with other factors like soul reads etc, it's just more likely.
Been playing a lot of 'Rush' over the last few weeks, just been one long stream of cbets.

There's probably a diff in c-bet sizes between online and live too.

OP, I think a lot of players find themselves asking your question too. They figure..well I have AK, nice hand, raise 3xbb, 2 callers, missed flop, must bet. Well maybe it's time to start looking at the preflop bet too and what you hoped to gain by doing it, even in position. You get a lot of it early doors in STTs, spunking chips imo.

Are you saying we shouldnt raise pre with an Ace and a King?

Yes, I'm saying sometimes you should just limp. No offence, but just because you read about 'premium starting hands' and 3 bb raising in some poker book doesn't mean you have to do it every time. Think for yourself a bit?

Nice quoting skills, almost as nice as your thinking skills.
I like to raise with hands that are likely to result in me winning the pot.
Admittedly if your playing in your local (I cant imagine your skillz have got you much further) limping every hand is probably what you all do.

You're only likely to win the pot if someone doesn't put you on AK straight away and see through your crappy 60% c-bet on a 392 flop.

Notice the way I use 'You're' for 'you+are'. 'Your' is reserved for 'Of you'.
I do play a lot in my local but I have also played several large tournaments live also and have won several thousand pounds, I could lend you some for grammar lessons.
There is nothing wrong with limping and keeping the pot small, I take $$$ off fish like you every night with this kind of play.

Surely if we play our big hands that hit the same as those that dont it makes it very hard for oppo to define our hand.
Personally I love to bet exactly 60% of the pot, I sometimes carry a calculator though because like my grammar my maths skills are poor.

Inspite my poor grammar and maths skills, I seem to do okay in life and have had a few wins at the pokerz to boot.

I would suggest you save your hard won $$ and learn some of the fundamental concepts of the game. Maybe Mantis would be willing to give you some pointers on your game, and El Sid could help you stop thinking like a prat.

I look forward to meeting you at somepoint, I will be interested to see your gay limpfest in action.

Personally I think your just another limp folding twat.

The poker world is full of people who bink a couple of wins and then consider themselves semi pro. 'Even a blind squirrel finds its nuts'.
I am self taught at poker and have read all the Sklansky books and all of the poker lessons in Poker Player magazine. Poker is not about just doing what everyone else says is right, it's about trying to outplay the other guy by doing something different, something he would not expect. Say you limp in with AK and the flop comes down AAK, will the other guy think you have AK? No, he'll think you have 92 or some other garbage hand that loose donkeys like to play out of position all the time.
If you're happy to 'do ok' in life then that's up to you, but my grandad taught me that winners never think like that, if you want to win big, you have to think big.
Keep playing the way you are and you might bink a couple more wins but eventually things will catch up on you. We call this the 'VARIANCE'. Google it. www.google.com




FYS

[railtard1]

lol, tightpaul, u seem pretty good man

[StuartHopkin]

Lolz!

Bad players love the variance excuse.

Love the AKK example. It all makes sense to me now.

When you bet the flop, the turn and the river, the guy will obviously think you are triple barrelling with 9 2.

Pretty sure your Grandad would be pretty disappointed when it turned out he had one of lifes losers as a Grandson.

[George2Loose]

There are times when players who figure they have the best hand are betting 50-80% too obv . I'm just saying, sometimes combined with other factors like soul reads etc, it's just more likely.
Been playing a lot of 'Rush' over the last few weeks, just been one long stream of cbets.

There's probably a diff in c-bet sizes between online and live too.

OP, I think a lot of players find themselves asking your question too. They figure..well I have AK, nice hand, raise 3xbb, 2 callers, missed flop, must bet. Well maybe it's time to start looking at the preflop bet too and what you hoped to gain by doing it, even in position. You get a lot of it early doors in STTs, spunking chips imo.

Are you saying we shouldnt raise pre with an Ace and a King?

Yes, I'm saying sometimes you should just limp. No offence, but just because you read about 'premium starting hands' and 3 bb raising in some poker book doesn't mean you have to do it every time. Think for yourself a bit?

Nice quoting skills, almost as nice as your thinking skills.
I like to raise with hands that are likely to result in me winning the pot.
Admittedly if your playing in your local (I cant imagine your skillz have got you much further) limping every hand is probably what you all do.

You're only likely to win the pot if someone doesn't put you on AK straight away and see through your crappy 60% c-bet on a 392 flop.

Notice the way I use 'You're' for 'you+are'. 'Your' is reserved for 'Of you'.
I do play a lot in my local but I have also played several large tournaments live also and have won several thousand pounds, I could lend you some for grammar lessons.
There is nothing wrong with limping and keeping the pot small, I take $$$ off fish like you every night with this kind of play.

Surely if we play our big hands that hit the same as those that dont it makes it very hard for oppo to define our hand.
Personally I love to bet exactly 60% of the pot, I sometimes carry a calculator though because like my grammar my maths skills are poor.

Inspite my poor grammar and maths skills, I seem to do okay in life and have had a few wins at the pokerz to boot.

I would suggest you save your hard won $$ and learn some of the fundamental concepts of the game. Maybe Mantis would be willing to give you some pointers on your game, and El Sid could help you stop thinking like a prat.

I look forward to meeting you at somepoint, I will be interested to see your gay limpfest in action.

Personally I think your just another limp folding twat.

The poker world is full of people who bink a couple of wins and then consider themselves semi pro. 'Even a blind squirrel finds its nuts'.
I am self taught at poker and have read all the Sklansky books and all of the poker lessons in Poker Player magazine. Poker is not about just doing what everyone else says is right, it's about trying to outplay the other guy by doing something different, something he would not expect. Say you limp in with AK and the flop comes down AAK, will the other guy think you have AK? No, he'll think you have 92 or some other garbage hand that loose donkeys like to play out of position all the time.
If you're happy to 'do ok' in life then that's up to you, but my grandad taught me that winners never think like that, if you want to win big, you have to think big.
Keep playing the way you are and you might bink a couple more wins but eventually things will catch up on you. We call this the 'VARIANCE'. Google it. www.google.com




FYS

You're obv referring to me in this post

It's scary how right you are

[George2Loose]

The problem is when you limp and the flop comes AAK and the big blind had 52 off he's probably just gonna fold when you bet

WP

[ForthThistle]

This is awesome!!!!!!!!!!

[StuartHopkin]

OMG just seen you messed about with my homoerotic ticker thing!

NH WP there. Shame the rest of your argument is in tatters.