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« on: February 23, 2005, 05:46:01 AM »

105 runners took part, & there were 142 rebuys, giving a total pot of 49,400, with over 14,000 to the winner.

They were scheduled to pay down to a final table of 10, but time ran out, so 11 will return on Wednesday afternoon at 3pm to battle it out. Prizes go down to 10th, but a suggestion that the 11th player should receive 500 for returning on Wednesday was vetoed. He will, however, receive the "Blue Square Bubble Boy Envelope" by way of consolation. This gives him a free seat in a $2,000 1 table Sit'N'Go on bluesquare.com.

There are 741,000 chips in play, so the average stack at present is 67,363.

The blinds are 1,500-3,000, & the players are shown in seat & table order.

TABLE 3

Jaz Perdesi - 29k

J P Kelly - 11.5k

Steve Jelinck - 74k

C Gerrard - 26k

Stuart Fox - 147k

D Mayall - 18.5k.

TABLE 4

Ali Mallu - 173.5k

D Mobbs - 53k

M Enwright - 125.5k

D Sami - 40.5k

Anders Rosander - 43k

Play resumes at 3.00pm on Wednesday.

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« Reply #1 on: February 23, 2005, 09:21:20 AM »

Hello,
Who vetoed the deal for 11th?
What do you think about such things?
i agree to doing this sort of thing personally but i can see the other side of the coin too.
i just wondered if you or your pals do it or not (agree to deals and such!!)
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« Reply #2 on: February 23, 2005, 04:00:28 PM »

Anyone can "veto" the deal to pay the bubble boy, & someone usually does. But it's absolutely within their rights so to do.

Personally I always agree to it, but then again, I am usually billy low stack, so I am biased!

And I do know who vetoed it, but I would not stoop to naming him - it is, as I noted earlier, his absolute right. And I am not biased in this case, because I had exited 5 tables earlier, dammit.

As in poker, as in life, as they say. You could take the view it's just pure selfish greed to veto a bubble-boy deal, but lets be honest, greed is a fundamental part of poker, and the better poker players are usually the greedier ones, or to use a more PC term, "hungrier".

We can hardly expect poker comps to be populated by good, unselfish, generous christian souls, now can we?
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« Reply #3 on: February 23, 2005, 04:45:26 PM »

with more and more players getting sponsored
deals will be come more and more unlikely even
small ones to pay bubble boy this is because sponsors wont allow it

during an event i was in last year a deal was proposed to give everyone coming back for
a 2nd day some money (an extra 2 players)
being as it was the first time i had ever gotten this far in a 2 day event had no sleep, sugar levels were all
to chit and all i knew was i had half an average stack and no details on the rest of the stacks i was happy for this
a couple of players said they couldn't do deals offically so the event went on with the next 2 out walking away with nothing
lucky i avoided being 1 of those 2 by folding my first 2 hands of the day
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« Reply #4 on: February 23, 2005, 05:02:26 PM »

If people can't do deals because of sponsorship then I think thats fair enough. How many of us have been "stiffed" by someone in a deal one week because someone had a big stack then a few weeks later the same players expects a favour in deal negotiations. I have a very long memory and will never deal with certain players, it may take a long time but at some stage the tables will turn. I will also go out of my way to look after players who have been "good" to me in the past. The fairest way to do a deal is obviously on a chip count basis but so many players do not understand this.
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« Reply #5 on: February 23, 2005, 05:24:02 PM »

My thoughts exactly Russ, "word for word".

But most telling of all is your suggestion that the "chip count" method be used. I ache for folks to understand & adopt it, but never once in all the deals I have been involved in (wot?, both of 'em?) has this idea been accepted.

Folkls always have an angle to come from, & will think it a good idea ONLY if it is to their benefit - & I suppose you cannot blame them for that!

But my pet hate is when a deal is mooted, & some guy gives us all the "ahh, but it's only one hand, you could be out next hand" story. I do love getting THAT lecture, & it's implication that I did not know that! And they conveniently forget that it's a double edged sword........

And have you noticed how excited & uppity follks get when a deal is discussed? One minute everyone is enjoying a Final played in good spirit, suddenly some guy sprouts devils horns & start shouting & screaming.

It happened last week in Deauville. A wonderful Final, plenty of banter & fun, but when it got to deal time, Mr Nice Guiy suddenly got all aerated & started holloring & hooting & threatening. Strange folks, we poker players, eh?
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« Reply #6 on: February 23, 2005, 05:57:52 PM »

I usually do one of 2 things when it gets to deal time. Chip count which I calculate so the figures are correct or say I will take x. Once I have decided what I will take that is it no more negotiations. 2 interesting deal situations for you:
1/ Small 30 rebuy effort and 4 of us discussing a deal, I am the Tikay (shortstack) and I say I will take 1200 which is laughed at. I say we play on then and they continue to talk (rare for me to be quiet I know). Suddenly they are shaking hands and have agreed we all take 1400 and play for the difference. Cheesy
2/ End of a typical Saturday night comp, 10 minutes from chip count (casino closes early). I say we may as well deal now on a chip count as there are only 10 mins left and my stack is worth 500, I aint going out next for the 140 on offer. We barter for a few minutes and the suggestion is vetoed. I tell the table my next few decisions are bound to be tricky ones and I may need some time for each decision (Lol). 2 players go out in the last 3 hands because they didnt understand how a chip count worked and they thought that they would only be paid for the position their chips entitled them to. Mallu raised everyone of the last 4 hands and got reraised by aj when he was holding aces. Net result more money for me and a lot more for Mallu.
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« Reply #7 on: February 23, 2005, 10:18:40 PM »

obviously i know it's anyone's right to veto!!
I must say though that due to the circumstances to which "bubble boy" went out in this particular case i'm quite pleased mr veto didn't get the top prize.
Otherwise i would agree totally and fair play to anyone not wanting to deal.
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« Reply #8 on: February 23, 2005, 10:30:10 PM »

scratch that, it was a terrible thing to say.
sorry mr veto!
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