Morals?

[Woodsey]

I remember being in London a while ago and having a Lucky 15 in the Ladbrokes on Baker Street. I was due back about £20. But the cashier counted out £440 and pushed it over to me. I looked the cashier in the eye, smiled, picked up my winnings and bid him a good day. I walked out of the shop like Morcambe and Wise to Bring Me Sunshine. Me and the mrs had a nice meal and watched a show on Ladbrokes. Very nice it was too.

When I was a kid I worked for Corals.

I matched a betting slip with £2 on a 6/4 winner with £200 on the same winner.

I paid him £500 instead of £5.

He never came back.

I hope you can sleep soundly knowing your dishonest behaviour has probably cost some poor sap his livelihood.

I'm normally a very honest person. That said I really wouldn't care if a bookie/casino, grimmed themselves in favour of me. They are the real grimmers anyway, even if they do it legally, sorry.............

[The Camel]

I remember being in London a while ago and having a Lucky 15 in the Ladbrokes on Baker Street. I was due back about £20. But the cashier counted out £440 and pushed it over to me. I looked the cashier in the eye, smiled, picked up my winnings and bid him a good day. I walked out of the shop like Morcambe and Wise to Bring Me Sunshine. Me and the mrs had a nice meal and watched a show on Ladbrokes. Very nice it was too.

When I was a kid I worked for Corals.

I matched a betting slip with £2 on a 6/4 winner with £200 on the same winner.

I paid him £500 instead of £5.

He never came back.

I hope you can sleep soundly knowing your dishonest behaviour has probably cost some poor sap his livelihood.

I'm normally a very honest person. That said I really wouldn't care if a bookie/casino, grimmed themselves in favour of me. They are the real grimmers anyway, even if they do it legally, sorry.............

Noone forces you into the betting shop or casino.

Why do different levels of morals apply there?

[MANTIS01]

I remember being in London a while ago and having a Lucky 15 in the Ladbrokes on Baker Street. I was due back about £20. But the cashier counted out £440 and pushed it over to me. I looked the cashier in the eye, smiled, picked up my winnings and bid him a good day. I walked out of the shop like Morcambe and Wise to Bring Me Sunshine. Me and the mrs had a nice meal and watched a show on Ladbrokes. Very nice it was too.

When I was a kid I worked for Corals.

I matched a betting slip with £2 on a 6/4 winner with £200 on the same winner.

I paid him £500 instead of £5.

He never came back.

I hope you can sleep soundly knowing your dishonest behaviour has probably cost some poor sap his livelihood.

Yeah, I was out like a light. All the free wine I had at dinner must've gone straight to my head. Corals dealing with the mistakes of their young employees by instantly sacking them is pretty immoral behaviour really. They should be ashamed.

[Woodsey]

I remember being in London a while ago and having a Lucky 15 in the Ladbrokes on Baker Street. I was due back about £20. But the cashier counted out £440 and pushed it over to me. I looked the cashier in the eye, smiled, picked up my winnings and bid him a good day. I walked out of the shop like Morcambe and Wise to Bring Me Sunshine. Me and the mrs had a nice meal and watched a show on Ladbrokes. Very nice it was too.

When I was a kid I worked for Corals.

I matched a betting slip with £2 on a 6/4 winner with £200 on the same winner.

I paid him £500 instead of £5.

He never came back.

I hope you can sleep soundly knowing your dishonest behaviour has probably cost some poor sap his livelihood.

I'm normally a very honest person. That said I really wouldn't care if a bookie/casino, grimmed themselves in favour of me. They are the real grimmers anyway, even if they do it legally, sorry.............

Noone forces you into the betting shop or casino.

Why do different levels of morals apply there?

Maybe its their slick marketing forcing me in hahahaha. No, I understand your point, its just one industry that has little morality when it comes to making money in the first place, so I just don't care tbh.

[Girgy85]

Agree with mantis here! The poor sap has cost themselves their own job IMO by making a mistake and not checking it over! Generally in casinos if you have a big ish win then the person paying out gets the pit boss to check the payment! If they both get it wrong then also their mistake!!

[Jon MW]

Agree with mantis here! The poor sap has cost themselves their own job IMO by making a mistake and not checking it over! Generally in casinos if you have a big ish win then the person paying out gets the pit boss to check the payment! If they both get it wrong then also their mistake!!

I'd pretty much agree with this, it's primarily the employees fault for getting it wrong.
Secondarily it's their line manager's fault for either not overseeing their work properly or not training them thoroughly enough to ensure mistakes don't happen.

It's right at the bottom of the line that it's the customers fault for not pointing out the error - and by the time it get's to them I don't think it's that big a deal if they don't bother.


Last weekend my mum saw something for the Wii mispriced at HMV - it said something like £15 instead of £55
The shop assistant told her they'd have to sell it to her for that price because they'd labelled it with that price.
His manager agreed with him
My mum knew full well that it wasn't true and they could have just told her it was a mistake.
To my mind it's a pretty similar thing - on the Morality Scale; how wrong was it for her not to tell them?

[TightPaulFolds]

Agree with mantis here! The poor sap has cost themselves their own job IMO by making a mistake and not checking it over! Generally in casinos if you have a big ish win then the person paying out gets the pit boss to check the payment! If they both get it wrong then also their mistake!!

I'd pretty much agree with this, it's primarily the employees fault for getting it wrong.
Secondarily it's their line manager's fault for either not overseeing their work properly or not training them thoroughly enough to ensure mistakes don't happen.

It's right at the bottom of the line that it's the customers fault for not pointing out the error - and by the time it get's to them I don't think it's that big a deal if they don't bother.

Is the customer entitled to the money? Like, is it theirs? If the answer is 'no' then the difference between walking away here, and dipping your hand into a granny's handbag on the bus is what exactly? Looking like a difference in 'form' only, essentially you are taking what you know does not belong to you.

The question beyond that is: do you judge these things
-pragmatically : maybe no employee is punished, and you can hardly call £200 a noticeable dent in a casino group's £8M profit

-on the basis of some abstract, idealistic moral principle You don't take what is not yours and you become a better person somehow by living by principles, we would certainly live in a 'better society' if everyone thought this way. Or maybe in thinking like this you are being a total mug?

[lazaroonie]

once I went into willie hills on west nile st in glasgow to collect on a lucky 15 that had 4 winners on it. I was expected around 950 quid, but when I handed the slip over the girl behind the counter handed me 74p and a toffee wrapper.

I smiled nervously and lifted my swag before getting out of there as fast as I could. I spent it in the shop across the road on a can of irn bru

[MANTIS01]

What would people do if by some magical twist they found a copy of tomorrow's Racing Post on the doormat today? Personally I'd be firing off doubles, trebles, accumulators at every bookie in town for the rest of the day. What tremedous fun that would be. Some people are saying they would get that nasty little Racing Post and rip it into a thousand pieces. I mean it isn't fair to go into Ladbrokes and have bets knowing the result is it? Pretty immoral. Not entitled to that money. Just like mugging a granny. What?? This is a poker forum right? Did people take a wrong turn on the way to Church? The magical fairy that posted the paper would be like "FFS, it's useless, I can't help this guy"

[TightPaulFolds]

What would people do if by some magical twist they found a copy of tomorrow's Racing Post on the doormat today? Personally I'd be firing off doubles, trebles, accumulators at every bookie in town for the rest of the day. What tremedous fun that would be. Some people are saying they would get that nasty little Racing Post and rip it into a thousand pieces. I mean it isn't fair to go into Ladbrokes and have bets knowing the result is it? Pretty immoral. Not entitled to that money. Just like mugging a granny. What?? This is a poker forum right? Did people take a wrong turn on the way to Church? The magical fairy that posted the paper would be like "FFS, it's useless, I can't help this guy"

lol Why should the question be asked on a poker forum then, if there's only going to be one type of answer? We're not all crooks and grimmers ya know  

The law says that you can't mug grannies. But the law also says that you can't keep an overpayment by a bookie. You'd be prosecuted for both under the same Act. Do you think it's wrong to prosecute for the bookie bit?

[ripple11]

In the good old days of manually calculating betting slips, I bet there were loads of mistakes,.......over the years I've been overpaid twice by high street bookies, by a couple of hundred pound or so.
Strangely enough they were both in random shops as a one off bet, ....and I thought lucky me.

Yesterday I interviewed someone and as they left there was a pound coin on their seat.......so I quickly told them they had dropped it.

Not sure where that leaves me

[relaedgc]

Wrong.

If you're paid out an incorrect amount in a casino, they are entitled to ask it back. If you refuse, we have legal channels in which to pursue it. You are not -entitled- to it. It's a matter of honesty, really -- I don't understand people who think those moral principles change upon being inside a casino.

[Josedinho]

Is it a matter of honesty? If i have a bet and i expect it to return £40 i take my slip up and get paid £60 i don't think it's dishonest to think "bonus". If she snap turns round and says she's got it wrong she can have the money back but i don't think it's dishonest not asking her to double check I never do that when i get paid the amount i expect.
I've had a bookie ring me to say that the price i got on a horse was wrong as it is obviously bigger than everybody else was offering so i can't have those odds. I've never had one ring me and say that i took a ridic short price compared to what other bookies were offering would i like bigger odds.

[Bongo]

Last weekend my mum saw something for the Wii mispriced at HMV - it said something like £15 instead of £55
The shop assistant told her they'd have to sell it to her for that price because they'd labelled it with that price.
His manager agreed with him
My mum knew full well that it wasn't true and they could have just told her it was a mistake.
To my mind it's a pretty similar thing - on the Morality Scale; how wrong was it for her not to tell them?

They'd have to take it off sale for 24hours though (maybe it's longer) and that could cost them more time/money. Probably better to sell one and fix the error.

[Dingdell]

Give it back

This. Sigh. Sometimes I wish I had been born without a conscience as I would love to 'get away with something' but it just doesn't sit well with me.