Morals?

[George2Loose]

I must say I have been overpaid a few times playign blackjack, roulette etc and have always pointed it out. That's just because I believe in karma tho and believe that what goes around comes around.

Maybe Mantis still can't beat 10r at his local walsall casino because he took an overpayment at laddies

Those casino overpayments are actually from the karma gods as a reward for your good deeds. Rejecting these gifts could very well invite bad karma. The old superstition "Find a penny pick it up and all the day you'll have good luck" originated about 150 yrs ago. People believed the gods had provided some free lucky money and the gift should be accepted with gratitude. I don't remember anything in the rhyme about handing the penny in to the authorities. So when I walked out of Laddies I gave those karma gods a little fist pump of gratitude. Now with inflation over the last 150 years I reckon "Find a fiddy pick it up and all the day you'll have good luck" seems about right. I could be wrong with my interpretation here so maybe you can point me in the direction of the chapter about laddies/casino overpayment in the karma books. I think I'm right thou and is why I crush walsall 10r.

Just don't see why it's ok to screw over bookies/laddies and nowhere else. No one forces you to play there and I'm sure if every single casino/bookie/gambling websites closed down tomorrow there'd be and outcry from most on here.

Why don't you come dtd tonight Mantis? Few of us will be there. U must be fairly local if you play at Walsall

[MANTIS01]

I must say I have been overpaid a few times playign blackjack, roulette etc and have always pointed it out. That's just because I believe in karma tho and believe that what goes around comes around.

Maybe Mantis still can't beat 10r at his local walsall casino because he took an overpayment at laddies

Those casino overpayments are actually from the karma gods as a reward for your good deeds. Rejecting these gifts could very well invite bad karma. The old superstition "Find a penny pick it up and all the day you'll have good luck" originated about 150 yrs ago. People believed the gods had provided some free lucky money and the gift should be accepted with gratitude. I don't remember anything in the rhyme about handing the penny in to the authorities. So when I walked out of Laddies I gave those karma gods a little fist pump of gratitude. Now with inflation over the last 150 years I reckon "Find a fiddy pick it up and all the day you'll have good luck" seems about right. I could be wrong with my interpretation here so maybe you can point me in the direction of the chapter about laddies/casino overpayment in the karma books. I think I'm right thou and is why I crush walsall 10r.

Just don't see why it's ok to screw over bookies/laddies and nowhere else. No one forces you to play there and I'm sure if every single casino/bookie/gambling websites closed down tomorrow there'd be and outcry from most on here.

Why don't you come dtd tonight Mantis? Few of us will be there. U must be fairly local if you play at Walsall

Playing Broadway Birmingham tonight. But plan to come up soon. At the moment motorway driving is quite hazardous due to karma issues.

[thetank]

I don't understand people who think those moral principles change upon being inside a casino.

They certainly often seem to change when you work for a casino.

Are you one of those that believe you're providing the community with some sort of service?

[ScottMGee]

Geezer drops £50 then I tell him, unless he was an absolute xxxx.

I generally work on the principle of the old shop sign "please check your changes carefully as mistakes cannot be rectified later", if the shop overpays me then its on them to spot this before i leave the till. Naturally this if its a small shop I would point out their error.

As for bookies, I might be wrong but I recall various sharp practices like them having employees to back favourites at the race course at the last minute so that the SP for the favourite is lower but the oncourse bookies do not have time to raise the prices for the other horses hence its a no lose for ladbrokes and the like. Hence I work on the check your change principle again.

[moonandback]

i can understand all the hate for the bookies and having worked for them in the past for more than 10 years i may hate the big company bookies more than most, but spare a thought for the staff of said bookies who if they make a mistake and overpay a bet probabky wont realise until the end of the night when they cash up then they have to check every bet taken to sle it was rung up correctly and every bet paid to make sure it was matched correctly this will be after you re-count all the money of course, this can take a considerable amount of time not to mention the undue stress it can cause.
there's nothing worse than looking for fifty quid at 10 o'clock at night when you've just done a 13 hour day so no i would never accept an overpayment from a bookie as i have been on the other end.
i would keep any money found on the floor though as long as i had'nt seen it dropped.

[buzzharvey22]

Usualy you can tell if the person is nice or you can atleast get a first impression. if u think hes a twat then pick it up, if u dont, then tell him

[flushthemout]

3 weeks ago i was parked down the side street near dtd by the Audi garage, popped into see a customer of mine for 5 mins, then the scooter brigade of parking ticket guys drove up whilst i was in there and slapped a ticket on my windscreen, was fuming as only in there 5 mins, they said if u have a problem go to there office in Nottingham and complain, as i was 5 mins away i went as suggested, Parked up safetly behind a builders contracters white van, as i got out of my car and walked a few steps there was a white envelope on the floor and i picked it up as it was quite obvious there was something inside Infact it had a wad of £50.00 infact £3k to be precise as i sat in my car and counted it!!!!

i wondered what to do but as there was cameras on the street i waited till the van owner came back as i thought if it was going to be anybodys it most likely be his, 10 mins later he came back and was searching his pasenger seat and under his van so i got out of my car and asked him had he lost something, " yeah about 3k. was taking it to the bank and i must have dropped it" i handed it to him and all i got was a thanks.  Gutted!!!! but felt proud about my actions and that night i went to Bolton and won the £50.00 tourney, God was watching me.

[Herbie H]

I worked for a big bookies for 4 years and I used to always have aggro with this one drunken retard on a Saturday.

He would argue after backing an even money shot, he should get 2/1 odds, a real dick.

One day he won on one of his short priced donkeys and he dropped a £20 on the way out, did I give it back? Not him, but any one else. I handed a wallet full of cash in up Newbury once as a nipper, my dad was well pissed off.

[sovietsong]

i can understand all the hate for the bookies and having worked for them in the past for more than 10 years i may hate the big company bookies more than most, but spare a thought for the staff of said bookies who if they make a mistake and overpay a bet probabky wont realise until the end of the night when they cash up then they have to check every bet taken to sle it was rung up correctly and every bet paid to make sure it was matched correctly this will be after you re-count all the money of course, this can take a considerable amount of time not to mention the undue stress it can cause.
there's nothing worse than looking for fifty quid at 10 o'clock at night when you've just done a 13 hour day so no i would never accept an overpayment from a bookie as i have been on the other end.
i would keep any money found on the floor though as long as i had'nt seen it dropped.

you go to a bank to withdraw some money over the counter, your card has snapped, you ask for £200 so your ok for a few days and the lovely lady behind the counter gives you £300.

keep it or say something?

[redarmi]

Wow, just wow, at some of the comments on this thread.

I used to work for Ladbrokes when I was a student and if I overpaid someone it created a lot of problems for both me and the shop manager and people routinely got sacked if their tills were more than a ton out.  Not the chairman, not the CEO, not the shareholders but quite often single mothers that were working all hours to support their family on pretty much the minimum wage.  I hope you enjoyed your meal and show Mantis.

Incidentally I was once doing my accounts and realised that Corals had credited my account with gbp83 that wasn't mine.  I called them up and let them know and let them debit my account with the same amount.  They gave me a free gbp50 bet and to this day I can always get a bet there long after all of my accounts in my own name with other bookies have been shut/restricted. 

[Girgy85]

Wow, just wow, at some of the comments on this thread.

I used to work for Ladbrokes when I was a student and if I overpaid someone it created a lot of problems for both me and the shop manager and people routinely got sacked if their tills were more than a ton out.  Not the chairman, not the CEO, not the shareholders but quite often single mothers that were working all hours to support their family on pretty much the minimum wage.  I hope you enjoyed your meal and show Mantis.

Incidentally I was once doing my accounts and realised that Corals had credited my account with gbp83 that wasn't mine.  I called them up and let them know and let them debit my account with the same amount.  They gave me a free gbp50 bet and to this day I can always get a bet there long after all of my accounts in my own name with other bookies have been shut/restricted. 

Lol

Maybe the cashiers should do their jobs correctly and check what they are doing!!

Or maybe the single moms were at it and dipping into the tills to bump their wages up!

[redarmi]

Presumably you have never made a mistake at your job???

Simple fact of the matter is that when you are dealing with 1000+ bets a day all of which seem to be placed in the 10 seconds before a race goes off you occasionally make mistakes.  Similarly when you are settling that many bets in a day you sometimes make a mistake and the sad fact of the matter is that if the mistake is for a pound then there will be no comeback but if it is for a ton you may well get fired.  Harsh but true.  If it was me I would rather give the moneyback than worry about whether the cashier was punished for their mistake but obviously Thatchers individualism is alive and well!!!

[MANTIS01]

Wow, just wow, at some of the comments on this thread.

I used to work for Ladbrokes when I was a student and if I overpaid someone it created a lot of problems for both me and the shop manager and people routinely got sacked if their tills were more than a ton out.  Not the chairman, not the CEO, not the shareholders but quite often single mothers that were working all hours to support their family on pretty much the minimum wage.  I hope you enjoyed your meal and show Mantis.

Incidentally I was once doing my accounts and realised that Corals had credited my account with gbp83 that wasn't mine.  I called them up and let them know and let them debit my account with the same amount.  They gave me a free gbp50 bet and to this day I can always get a bet there long after all of my accounts in my own name with other bookies have been shut/restricted. 

Yeah the meal and show were both fantastic. Thought I made that clear. First point, I manage about 50 staff and I invest a lot of time training and coaching them to do their jobs well. As a result I cannot remember the last time my tills were down by any significant amount. If my staff did make an error I would support them with further training and supervision. No way am I routinely sacking one of my guys because they made a mistake. Why would you blame the customer because Ladbrokes routinely sack their staff for making a mistake? Shame on Ladbrokes for sacking them single mums. So the reality is my morality and conduct are light years ahead of anybody at Ladbrokes.

Second point. If we make a mistake as punters how sympathetic are casinos and bookies? Do you ever get your money back for making errors? If you're not concentrating when playing BJ and draw a card on 16 with the dealer showing a 6. Oops mistake. Do they give you another go? I meant to back that horse each way. Oops mistake. Can I have my money back? As punters we pay for our mistakes. I can't remember the last time the house was sympathetic to mine.

[redarmi]

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Yeah the meal and show were both fantastic. Thought I made that clear. First point, I manage about 50 staff and I invest a lot of time training and coaching them to do their jobs well. As a result I cannot remember the last time my tills were down by any significant amount. If my staff did make an error I would support them with further training and supervision. No way am I routinely sacking one of my guys because they made a mistake. Why would you blame the customer because Ladbrokes routinely sack their staff for making a mistake? Shame on Ladbrokes for sacking them single mums. So the reality is my morality and conduct are light years ahead of anybody at Ladbrokes.

Second point. If we make a mistake as punters how sympathetic are casinos and bookies? Do you ever get your money back for making errors? If you're not concentrating when playing BJ and draw a card on 16 with the dealer showing a 6. Oops mistake. Do they give you another go? I meant to back that horse each way. Oops mistake. Can I have my money back? As punters we pay for our mistakes. I can't remember the last time the house was sympathetic to mine.
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Agree Ladbrokes policy with regard to this is poor but I don't agree you shouldn't give the money back.  It isn't yours.  You have done nothing to earn it and somebody is directly suffering as a result of it and the only reason it doesn't bother you is because you are not witnessing the suffering of that individual.  If, in order to keep the money, you had to sit through her disciplinary and sacking would you still have the same opinion or would you then forgo the money???   

[MANTIS01]

I would love to be in that disciplinary. But the outcome wouldn't be a sacking for the single mum if I was. I would jab my finger into the tubby belly of the manager and tell him to shape up. What, he's got like 2 or 3 staff to manage and he can't handle the responsibility. Then I'd slap his chops and suggest he paid his staff a bit more and spent more time training them if he wants decent quality. If you pay minimum wage, fail to train sufficiently, and just get new monkeys when errors occur you will never solve the problem. I don't want anybody to suffer but I don't think my actions would or should cause suffering. If I was 100% the cashier would be sacked I wouldn't take the money.

Also, don't forget the single mum waitress who served me dinner. She got a fat tip. So taking the money actually brought joy to single mums rather than suffering.