Is Vicky Coren that naive?

[byronkincaid]

mad yank was newteabag on 2+2

http://forumserver.twoplustwo.com/62/bbv4life/hey-bbv4l-imma-bout-go-bang-some-chix-253318/

[Delboy]

TBF, Tighty did spend all of yesterday updating in Tallin all that time sitting down is enough to give anyone numb nuts!

[Herbie H]

mad yank was newteabag on 2+2

http://forumserver.twoplustwo.com/62/bbv4life/hey-bbv4l-imma-bout-go-bang-some-chix-253318/

I have read them all.

[RED-DOG]

To Red-Dog.

I'm sorry, but it is slightly different to wish cancer upon an adult over a poker hand, than have a avatar which is just bad taste IMO. Like a joke in bad taste.

Don't worry the board police are on to it.

With respect, I'm not saying it's not slightly different. (Although I'm sure a lot of people can see the irony in spite of that)

I'm just curious as to why you are calling Tightend names.


EDIT: For the record, I think Fanelli's cancer remark was dreadful.

I apologise for that and have removed the offending item also.

But quite why every one has their thongs in a twist, over a debate is a mystery to me.

I know where you're coming from. It seems that forums are just a breeding ground for arguments these days.

[tikay]

Vicky is a lot of things, but naive, she is not.

I thought the article was beautifully balanced, & superbly written. She has inherited her late father's writing skills, & some.

Tikay, I have not criticised the article, I am merely asking the question about how someone clearly educated and well liked like V Coren, would consider this man, who is all that is wrong with modern poker players "a friend".

He clearly had no respect for women and treated them like play things, before the move to Thailand. Perhaps I am too set in my ways to, believe that anyone who treats women as animals is wrong.

But I haven't been up the big smoke for a while.

She considered him  "friend" (a word whose meaning has changed considerably of late), because a few years ago, in the poker sense, she WAS a "friend" of Ron's, so was I, so were most people in the UK poker scene. We played poker with him, we interacted with him on poker forums, including blonde, we played Charity poker Tourneys with him, & most of all, because he was Ron, we argued with him. "Poker acquaintance" might be a better word than "friend" I suspect. I never liked him or disliked him, he was just another face.

At the time, despite some fairly outrageous views, he was just another member of the poker community. We try to get along with most, I think, & he was no exception. At the time. I've met worse people in poker, by far.

Now, it would seem, he's a murderer. Which changes things in the current tense, but not in the past tense. We have to adjust our thinking in the light of events.

His throwaway & juvenile "hope you die of cancer" line which she quoted is a tinsy-winsy & insignificant piece of background in the article. We all abhor such thinking, it's utterly disgraceful, but we've all seen it a thousand times in Online chat Boxes. Vicky tried, I think, to give her article "balance". Which is a very rare commodity these days, with everyone having one view, or the other, & no in-between.

[RED-DOG]

Still, if you do put something up for debate, you have to be prepared to listen to the other person's point of view.

[MANTIS01]

To Red-Dog.

I'm sorry, but it is slightly different to wish cancer upon an adult over a poker hand, than have a avatar which is just bad taste IMO. Like a joke in bad taste.

Don't worry the board police are on to it.

With respect, I'm not saying it's not slightly different. (Although I'm sure a lot of people can see the irony in spite of that)

I'm just curious as to why you are calling Tightend names.


EDIT: For the record, I think Fanelli's cancer remark was dreadful.

I apologise for that and have removed the offending item also.

But quite why every one has their thongs in a twist, over a debate is a mystery to me.

I know where you're coming from. It seems that forums are just a breeding ground for arguments these days.

No they aren't.

[DaveShoelace]

To Red-Dog.

I'm sorry, but it is slightly different to wish cancer upon an adult over a poker hand, than have a avatar which is just bad taste IMO. Like a joke in bad taste.

Don't worry the board police are on to it.

With respect, I'm not saying it's not slightly different. (Although I'm sure a lot of people can see the irony in spite of that)

I'm just curious as to why you are calling Tightend names.


EDIT: For the record, I think Fanelli's cancer remark was dreadful.

I apologise for that and have removed the offending item also.

But quite why every one has their thongs in a twist, over a debate is a mystery to me.

I know where you're coming from. It seems that forums are just a breeding ground for arguments these days.

No they're not

[DaveShoelace]

damn slow internets connection, Mantis beat me

[the sicilian]

As an aside..dunno wot it is about Vickey, but i think she is proper cheeky and as most men are sexists...i will resort to type...

so i wouldnt mind giving her one  

[Eck]

As an aside..dunno wot it is about Vickey, but i think she is proper cheeky and as most men are sexiest..i will resort to type...

so i wouldnt mind giving her one  

You find men sexiest?

[Herbie H]

OK, This was my take on this Man? and Vicky's article:


Another Poker player, another murder.

What is it with some poker players nowadays? Why do some poker players feel they can carry out their heinous crimes in the far flung reaches of this world? Another ex-regular in the world poker circuit has admitted to the murder of a Thai woman in Wanphen Pienjai, Thailand.

The guilty man this time is Ron Fanelli (Mad Yank), as he was known in some circles and he was a well known face around the London poker scene. In fact, one journalist Vicky Coren, a writer for the Guardian, even described him as “a friend”, in a recent article. Fanelli an ex-US navy veteran travelled frequently and was known for his outlandish behaviour. I guess this is where his nickname Mad Yank stemmed from?! I did not ever meet this man, but he clearly had a love him or hate him personality.

The murder reported in the Phuket Gazette, took place after Fanelli met a Thai lady in the Sweetheart bar, Phuket. After talking for some in the bar, they both went back to Fanelli’s home and during a sordid exchange Fanelli flipped accusing her of being a money grabbing whore. Yeah for sure, Fanelli she may well have been, but that is the type of woman he craved. He demanded a lady who would bow down at his knees, pay homage to the mighty MadYank. After marriages, came and went like his poker fortune, his deluded ideas about women were there for all to see.

Fanelli, then proceeded to murder the defenceless women, dispose of her body in a suitcase. Seemingly unconcerned about his crime, he was finally arrested and upon answering the question. “Are you Mad Yank?” He quipped “Yeah, but that was a long time ago”. Admitting to murder Fanelli now faces jail in one of the toughest prisons in Thailand. I’m sure the hard man will receive a warm welcome.

In the article,  the Guardian have a quote from an old poker talk show in which Mad Yank appeared, answering the question “What is the worst thing you’ve done?” and this was his answer “Me? I'm an angel. I've never done anything bad. Well, I guess I've made a few people cry. I don't like getting unlucky. There was that time I told everyone at the table I hoped they'd die of cancer. Other than that, I've never done anything bad."

Says it all really, Unlucky for you this time!



 

[Laxie]

Have you never thought of some one as a 'friend' only to be let down/disappointed at some stage?  If not, then lucky you.

[TightPaulFolds]

To Red-Dog.

I'm sorry, but it is slightly different to wish cancer upon an adult over a poker hand, than have a avatar which is just bad taste IMO. Like a joke in bad taste.

Don't worry the board police are on to it.

With respect, I'm not saying it's not slightly different. (Although I'm sure a lot of people can see the irony in spite of that)

I'm just curious as to why you are calling Tightend names.


EDIT: For the record, I think Fanelli's cancer remark was dreadful.

I apologise for that and have removed the offending item also.

But quite why every one has their thongs in a twist, over a debate is a mystery to me.

You were right, the article does not seem to make sense at times. It went along the lines of 'I used to really like this guy, but now he's alleged to have killed a love-interest, omg can you ever really know someone?' Journos do that kind of hyperbole, it's how you make an article interesting. She did point out that she thought he was a womanizing failure who wished his fellow players cancer. Yeah, lovely guy. ""There is no way this man, whom I knew and liked, had actually done it.""
It's the same with the (bad) Tobin analogy. Yeah to those that knew them casually, they both seemed like lovely people. Except Tobin is, to the core, a psychopathic serial killer, and Fanelli maybe wouldn't have allegedly killed the lady had he not been in a drunk rage.

So her argument flows like:
-He seemed ok on the surface
-But underneath he was a cold-hearted killer

When in fact it is reasonable to assume from her article that
-He seemed like a bit of a dick on the surface
-He went on to commit a crime of passion (allegedly)

The first one is a 'good' newspaper article, the second isn't, so she writes the first.

It's partly redeemed by the insight at the end:

 "No amount of hookers, no manner of kinky activity, could fill the hole where Ron's self-esteem used to be. He knew, now, that the women's obliging, flattering manners were just a pretence. That's just what women do to get what they want. He despised them for it. What he didn't understand was that the more he degraded and punished the girls, the worse he felt about himself. And the further he had to go to feel masterful again. It was a dark, twisted cycle.

One day, he picked up a beautiful girl from the Sweethearts Bar, round the back of the Club Med resort in Kata on the island of Phuket. He took her home. And when she reached for him, with her obliging smile, telling him how lucky she felt to find such a handsome customer, he was revolted by the lie. He saw, suddenly, all the women in the world, every last bitch taking him for a fool. Ron would not be taken for a fool. He snapped."

Which sounds a bit like Narcissistic Personality Disorder.

[tikay]

OK, This was my take on this Man? and Vicky's article:


Another Poker player, another murder.

What is it with some poker players nowadays? Why do some poker players feel they can carry out their heinous crimes in the far flung reaches of this world? Another ex-regular in the world poker circuit has admitted to the murder of a Thai woman in Wanphen Pienjai, Thailand.

The guilty man this time is Ron Fanelli (Mad Yank), as he was known in some circles and he was a well known face around the London poker scene. In fact, one journalist Vicky Coren, a writer for the Guardian, even described him as “a friend”, in a recent article. Fanelli an ex-US navy veteran travelled frequently and was known for his outlandish behaviour. I guess this is where his nickname Mad Yank stemmed from?! I did not ever meet this man, but he clearly had a love him or hate him personality.

The murder reported in the Phuket Gazette, took place after Fanelli met a Thai lady in the Sweetheart bar, Phuket. After talking for some in the bar, they both went back to Fanelli’s home and during a sordid exchange Fanelli flipped accusing her of being a money grabbing whore. Yeah for sure, Fanelli she may well have been, but that is the type of woman he craved. He demanded a lady who would bow down at his knees, pay homage to the mighty MadYank. After marriages, came and went like his poker fortune, his deluded ideas about women were there for all to see.

Fanelli, then proceeded to murder the defenceless women, dispose of her body in a suitcase. Seemingly unconcerned about his crime, he was finally arrested and upon answering the question. “Are you Mad Yank?” He quipped “Yeah, but that was a long time ago”. Admitting to murder Fanelli now faces jail in one of the toughest prisons in Thailand. I’m sure the hard man will receive a warm welcome.

In the article,  the Guardian have a quote from an old poker talk show in which Mad Yank appeared, answering the question “What is the worst thing you’ve done?” and this was his answer “Me? I'm an angel. I've never done anything bad. Well, I guess I've made a few people cry. I don't like getting unlucky. There was that time I told everyone at the table I hoped they'd die of cancer. Other than that, I've never done anything bad."

Says it all really, Unlucky for you this time!



 

".....Another Poker player, another murder...."

I've shared tables dozens of times with TWO poker players who are currently charged with Murder. A friend, well known & respected on this Forum, as well as knowing those two very well, says he knows of two other Poker players who, in the last year, have, allegedly, murdered their wives or partners, & been charged.

I only knew 2 of the 4. I was, in the poker sense, "friends" with them both. Things change though, when their crimes come to light.