tough spot for stack

[iveysda]

Villian raises from mid position £1/2 nlh cash game £8 is the bet

ive just bought in for £200 this is my 2nd hand

villian has similar stack

hero on the button finds  flats

big blind calls too

flop   

big blind checks

villian bets £22

hero calls

big blind calls

turn card 

big blind checks

villian now bets £80

I tank, do i raise  in this spot or am i up against a/k

villian has now put in half his stack in

if i am jam its an instant call for a/k whats the big blind going to do as well ?? hmmm

any thoughts in this spot?

[buzzharvey22]

fold on turn, your are drawing to a flush and a flush only

3 bet or fold pre, a8s is pretty gash imo

[pleno1]

3bettttt pre

[Cf]

I don't like 3betting pre with A8s on our second hand at the table. I don't like calling 4x with it either. I'd rather know how the table is playing and establish some reads before trying to play A8s post flop.

As played you're getting 2:1 on a call on the turn. Assuming you're already behind then this is a fold. This is assuming you're behind though. Villain may well be firing with KQ or something hoping no-one has hit the A. This is why I like to see him play a few hands first cos atm we're just guessing. Oh and don't raise - you're never getting value from worse.

[GreekStein]

I'm never folding a suited ace pre 100bbs deep in live cash when I've got position on everyone.

Really interesting spot though. I would raise/call flop I think.

[Whollyflush]

suited aces play really well in live cash games where alot of pots go multiway. As played call turn, probably fold UI.

With no reads i think flatting the flop is ok and would be my default.

[AlexMartin]

dont coldcall buttons w A8s unless you have an amazing player read on tendencies/know the pot is gonna deffo be multiway/opener is a huge drooler or will just check giveup flops he misses. as played if the guy looks remotely like he can play prolly timebank call turn and re-evaluate river. dont like getting it in on flop and deffo dont like raising the turn.

[iveysda]

dont coldcall buttons w A8s unless you have an amazing player read on tendencies/know the pot is gonna deffo be multiway/opener is a huge drooler or will just check giveup flops he misses. as played if the guy looks remotely like he can play prolly timebank call turn and re-evaluate river. dont like getting it in on flop and deffo dont like raising the turn.

interesting views guys, as its early doors and i have another buy in, i flat the £80 big blind calls as well , so the pot is now massive.

what the hell has the bb got i ask myself?? smaller flush draw  / or worse slow playing  a set !!!!

then comes the river board pairs its a heart ughhhhh.

im anxious to see what the bb is gonnae do, he dwells up and finally checks.

im thinking is he good enuf to check full boat ?? not been at table long enuf to know.

villian checks its now up to me what to do ??

over £300 in pot and facing 2 checks, views pls

[NigDawG]

dont coldcall buttons w A8s unless you have an amazing player read on tendencies/know the pot is gonna deffo be multiway/opener is a huge drooler or will just check giveup flops he misses. as played if the guy looks remotely like he can play prolly timebank call turn and re-evaluate river. dont like getting it in on flop and deffo dont like raising the turn.

interesting views guys, as its early doors and i have another buy in, i flat the £80 big blind calls as well , so the pot is now massive.

what the hell has the bb got i ask myself?? smaller flush draw  / or worse slow playing  a set !!!!

then comes the river board pairs its a heart ughhhhh.

im anxious to see what the bb is gonnae do, he dwells up and finally checks.

im thinking is he good enuf to check full boat ?? not been at table long enuf to know.

villian checks its now up to me what to do ??

over £300 in pot and facing 2 checks, views pls

wonder how quiet pha would be if blonde had a "badbeats + coolers" section?

[pleno1]

jam obv? you dont have much left and have ze nut flush?

[pleno1]

£300 in pot you have £90 left, anything but jamming would be ridic bad,

[outragous76]

i check behind - not sure an inferior flush calls from BB

[Whollyflush]

i check behind - not sure an inferior flush calls from BB

lol.

[StuartHopkin]

But if they know you have no fold equity why would they call with anything worse than the nut flush? So jamming obviously would be really bad, DUCY?

Nah I'm just kidding, I'm not really Mantis, obv jam.

Lol

Dont confuse me like that!

[Cf]

Bet £40. This looks so strong. Fold to a shove - they always have it in this spot.