tough spot for stack

[Longines]

Ask if you can bring your other £200 to the table now.

[BulldozerD]

probably cll turn, now just jam the river when checked to

[outragous76]

What hands are 'we' ( the villains) calling £90 with that don't beat the ace high flush?

[outragous76]

Given that the river is the , the bb could well have 34

He obv isnt calling any missed str8 draws, and you have to think he jams the flop with a hand like 5h6h

Literally the only hand i can see calling is QhJh - but we are asking alot for 1 hand to call us when there is a greater likelihood that they have checked better hands in the hope someone bets a flush?

[George2Loose]

Course we get called by worse guy. We dont have to even have a flush here. We could b bluffing or villian could go thru theres too much money in the pot syndrome and call with one pair

[outragous76]

Course we get called by worse guy. We dont have to even have a flush here. We could b bluffing or villian could go thru theres too much money in the pot syndrome and call with one pair

i can see AK making a crying call, but not much else. If the BB made a flush would he not jam for the same reasons as us?

[George2Loose]

Its live cash. Villian can deffo call with worse

[outragous76]

Its live cash. Villian can deffo call with worse

with what hands?

No way they are calling 1 pair

[outragous76]

James

I agree we are probably good, but on the grounds that we aren't getting called by much worse and there are several full houses out there that might be hoping we hit our A high flush in position and think we will fire if they check?

There are plenty of genuine full house opportunities out there from both villains

I posted a cash hand ages ago where I checked the bottom full house in position and most people thought it was ok given the above type situation!

[Whollyflush]

James

I agree we are probably good, but on the grounds that we aren't getting called by much worse and there are several full houses out there that might be hoping we hit our A high flush in position and think we will fire if they check?

There are plenty of genuine full house opportunities out there from both villains

I posted a cash hand ages ago where I checked the bottom full house in position and most people thought it was ok given the above type situation!

wow.

This reminds me of that Tilly vs PA hand.

[outragous76]

James

I agree we are probably good, but on the grounds that we aren't getting called by much worse and there are several full houses out there that might be hoping we hit our A high flush in position and think we will fire if they check?

There are plenty of genuine full house opportunities out there from both villains

I posted a cash hand ages ago where I checked the bottom full house in position and most people thought it was ok given the above type situation!

wow.

This reminds me of that Tilly vs PA hand.

with the greatest respect, ive always been taught to assess what hands are in their ranges that we beat and that beat us, weight those hands and then make a decision

the hands that call

1. Random flushes in BB
2. A 'tard with AK (original raiser)

hands that have us beat

1. Raiser with AA
2. Raiser with KK
3. 34 in bb
4. A4 in bb
5. 33 from either spot

now going back thru the hand I can legitimately put the 4 'beating us' hands into the betting sequence as played allowing for trapping on the river

i think the hands that we beat and call have been played appallingly and we have to hope thats what they have and then still donk off

hmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm [  ] Jen Tilly

[Whollyflush]

Well 1st off we have no reads. It is however a £1/2 live game, so i think its fair to say theres an 85% chance that both villians are mouthbreathers struggling to wipe the drool from there chin. Secondly its a CO open and a flat in the BB. I predict there ranges are considerably wider than you give them credit for (its dull sitting for hours so fishies like to play all sorts of random trash.

I think the BB rarely has a set given the action and the "wet" texture of the flop/turn and his most likely hands are a 56hh /56ss type hand. I think the CO has a genuine hand here barrelling the turn 3way, hes te most likely to have boated up id say but once he checks the river with tiny SPR its bizarre to ever see him c/c-c/r a boat. With £90 behind and a £300 or £400 pot its so much worse checking behind, when there ranges are wider than you give them credit for than jamming and giving sum1 insane odds to hero call.

[Whollyflush]

oh and the fact that this hand is posted is usually a not so thinly veiled bad beat so you will be correct

[outragous76]

hands that have us beat

1. Raiser with AA
2. Raiser with KK
3. 34 in bb
4. A4 in bb
5. 33 from either spot

now going back thru the hand I can legitimately put the 4 'beating us' hands into the betting sequence as played allowing for trapping on the river

i think the hands that we beat and call have been played appallingly and we have to hope thats what they have and then still donk off

hmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm [  ] Jen Tilly

Not saying it's impossible mate but this is just a terrible idea. Why would you need to trap someone who has a flush if they only have 1/3 pot back? They're definitely calling with a flush if they made it this far. "Trapping" just misses value from 2 pairs/sets that might make a crying call. These hands are never going to bet themselves, and you never induce a bluff of £90 into £300 3-ways.

yeah fair enough, but i just dont think too many hands are paying us off here - well the point being there arent that many combos of hands that can given the board

i still check 

[iveysda]

oh and the fact that this hand is posted is usually a not so thinly veiled bad beat so you will be correct

some really good analysis guys, as i stated this was only my 2nd hand played so i decided that my best option would be to check.

as i hadn't worked out any table images, ie trap checkers or ultra aggro guys.

dont know if this was a weak play, but if had bn at table for longer i woodv'e jammed this spot with only £90 behind

if i was snap called i woodv'e just tapped the table and rebought.

anyway cards on backs bb  , villian a/k.

so alls well that ends well.
just doubted my weak check on river and wondered what others may have done. thks