Double or nothing spot

[EvilPie]

€22 DoN on DTD. 5 paid. 200/400 with 5 short stacks including me.

Thought this was quite a tough spot with stacks. Guessing I'm ahead of his range here but does that make it a call? No reads other than pretty much everyone who plays these is tez.

There's enough low stacks about that we're in with a chance anyway but obv win this and I'm locked.

***** Hand 2289366987 *****
200.00/400.00 Texas Hold'em (No Limit) - 09 August 2010 23:03:26
Cooler (Real/Tournament)
Seat 1: AAA66 (1275.00)
Seat 2: .migmoj. (945.00)
Seat 4: mirallun (1590.00)
Seat 5: BigKahunaBurger (1830.00)
Seat 6: mmbute (1280.00)
Seat 7: fraxyz (2665.00)
Seat 10: KingHeiko1 (5415.00)

BigKahunaBurger post SB 200.00
mmbute post BB 400.00

** Deal **
BigKahunaBurger [, ]

*** Bet Round 1 ***

fraxyz Fold
KingHeiko1 Fold
AAA66 All-in 1275.00
.migmoj. Fold
mirallun Fold
BigKahunaBurger..........

[outragous76]

trivial fold

[StuartHopkin]

Think its an easy pass in these.

Edit - Sigh, Guy beat me to it.

[Longy]

Looks like a fold to me, with the other shorties and the blinds just having passed through you. As A7 is never in great shape here and what you gain by cruising into the money by winning is  outweighted by losing any FE and you move ahead of the other shorties in the "next to have to make a move" scenarios you get in these DONs.

Hand like this make me realise DON's are the most ridic form of poker ever invented.

[EvilPie]

Agree with Longy about these being a ridic form of poker. They're a good way of keeping me entertained whilst playing sats though. Can't handle one tabling so use these as gap fillers.

So if this is a simple pass what would be a calling range?

[EvilPie]

Oh and regarding Longy's your FE statement; I wish I could find a HH from earlier.

300/600. Shorty shoves 630 from cut off. Folds to BB who tank passes from his 5k stack.

My first thought was to report this ridic piece of collusion until the following hand when he ko'd him calling his shove with AK.

[outragous76]

AA KK

you are 2nd in chips

this will play itself out

[MC]

[ ] you are 2nd in chips

FYP

[outragous76]

ok 3rd

but the point is its teh CL perogative to shove and the shorties decission to go with it or keep folding

[EvilPie]

AA KK

you are 2nd in chips

this will play itself out

Wow that tight?

We aren't exactly locked though are we? I appreciate that we have to be pretty tight but surely you're not folding QQ here?

Shover's range is really wide. He's got 3bbs and can get up to 3rd spot by shipping and getting it through.

I'd have thought JJ+ and AQ would be calls tbh but can accept I may be very wrong.

[DMorgan]

This is not even close to a call

[vegaslover]

Instant Fold
Yes it is as tight as AA, KK to call simply as you gain so little equity, with the prizepool being equal.

[George2Loose]

Go for the Nothnig option and cawl

[TheChipPrince]

I would fold this, but certainly be looking for every spot to shove.  Blinds are far to high to get into any comfort zone, I would try an get into the mindset of us being the shortstack in table spots like this, always got to think we're never safe imo, even if we are.

[outragous76]

I would fold this, but certainly be looking for every spot to shove.  Blinds are far to high to get into any comfort zone, I would try an get into the mindset of us being the shortstack in table spots like this, always got to think we're never safe imo, even if we are.

this is the whole point of why its never a call

you MUSt preserve as much FE as you can in these games - its about being the shover not the caller and only calling if it doesnt affect ur stack or a super shorty is shoving ur bb