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« Reply #45 on: August 18, 2010, 11:23:07 PM »

well glad this hand has divided everyone a bit, it is reasurring that a hand that i thought was tricky was actually worth posting rather than a superstandard shove/fold etc.

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« Reply #46 on: August 18, 2010, 11:23:22 PM »

I said there wasnt much difference between 55 and atc in terms of in the shitiness which there isnt.  (I acknowledge my mistake above b4 you posted).  You seem to want to cling to the delusion that there is some value in 55 vs his tight calling range and refuse to accept that the entire value in pushing is fold equity.

I did actually take the time to put this hand thru sitngo wiz.  On its defaults, even the loosest, pushing is a big mistake.  So why would this be?  



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« Reply #47 on: August 18, 2010, 11:59:45 PM »

I said there wasnt much difference between 55 and atc in terms of in the shitiness which there isnt.  (I acknowledge my mistake above b4 you posted).  You seem to want to cling to the delusion that there is some value in 55 vs his tight calling range and refuse to accept that the entire value in pushing is fold equity.

I did actually take the time to put this hand thru sitngo wiz.  On its defaults, even the loosest, pushing is a big mistake.  So why would this be?  





Ty for acknowledging this mistake, i missed it b4, but can see u did.

I did not say that we are not mainly pushing 55 for fe, just that it isn't the only factor, thus it's not an atc push as stove shows we are in much better shape with 55 than atc v any of his range.

You say theire isn't much difference, but i'd call 7, and 11 percent differences quite a lot tbh.

And the 'shitness' which we are in if he calls are 47 and 39% against the ranges i assigned, certainly not huge dogs and even if we lose this hand we are still alive and in with a chance of taking this down.

Not a huge fan of sng whizz and for a start this is a little diff imo as it's a 45 manner and thus the prizes are more jumpy.

Lets not get into a huge debate about this tbh, u go with yr style and i'll go with mine, once the word 'shitness' is mentioned i'd say it's time to call an end to the convo! Smiley
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« Reply #48 on: August 19, 2010, 12:02:30 AM »

thank you all.

i shoved, he passed.



prob a mistake according to sng wiz - if he is raising any two, it grudgingly recommends pushing 44+.  

This is when he is raising any two and calling our shove 72% of the time which is the rather unrealistic Wiz default.

If villain is opening any two but only calling your shove a more conservative but still ridic 24% (22+, A2+, KJ+, K9s+, QJs) then it recommends to shove ATC


Looking at the numbers of him opening a more realistic (but still very loose) 28% of the time and calling our shove 5% (TT+, AQ+) then it recommends to shove ATC

Thing is the line drops very sharply. The breakeven point with 55 (when he's opening 28%) is when opponent starts calling 8% (66+, AJ+ A10s+).
If he's looser than that when it comes to calling off his stack, the shove becomes more and more unprofitable very quickly.

Default fold is not bad as the tighter the opponent is opening in this spot it makes shove more and more unprofitable too.

I still like the shove if we've got any inkling that opponent may like to open lots. Sovietsong had such a read so I think he played this one well.
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« Reply #49 on: August 19, 2010, 12:04:38 AM »

This really is a read dependant spot and I'm not sure how this thread got this long should've ended thread when Longy posted he was spot on(standard)
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