That's a weird ish flat.... so I

[titaniumbean]

Have a bit of history with villain, we played this pot about 5-6 orbits before the hand in question.

Poker Stars, $20 + $2 NL Hold'em Tournament, 150/300 Blinds, 25 Ante, 9 Players
LeggoPoker.com Hand History Converter

BB: 14,418
UTG: 5,152
UTG+1: 6,036
UTG+2: 18,955
Hero (MP1): 12,873
MP2: 12,320
CO: 12,742
BTN: 10,672
SB: 24,306

Pre-Flop: (675) dealt to Hero (MP1)
3 folds, Hero raises to 810, MP2 calls 810, 4 folds

Flop: (2,295) (2 Players)
Hero bets 940, MP2 raises to 1,959, Hero calls 1,019

Turn: (6,213) (2 Players)
Hero checks, MP2 bets 2,985, Hero calls 2,985

River: (12,183) (2 Players)
Hero checks, MP2 checks


Hero showed
MP2 mucked


He's been pretty aggro, been quite active 3 betting  playing about 24/15/10 he's on my direct left and the rest of the table has 2 or 3 solid (ish) players and some donkies other than myself. edit he's 10 tabling all med stakes donkies.



So, flop decision.

PokerStars Game #48426870291: Tournament #326010395, $20+$2 USD Hold'em No Limit - Level X (300/600) - 2010/08/20 19:38:15 WET [2010/08/20 14:38:15 ET]
Table '326010395 64' 9-max Seat #2 is the button
Seat 1: lonkay (22547 in chips)
Seat 2: JohnnyB39 (12073 in chips)
Seat 3: The Yox88 (8686 in chips)
Seat 4: UPPERHAN1 (10980 in chips)
Seat 5: beaneh (9550 in chips)
Seat 6: PureSickness (14878 in chips)
Seat 7: Horse93 (22632 in chips)
Seat 8: JoeriP (23707 in chips)
Seat 9: eljay42 (22031 in chips)
lonkay: posts the ante 50
JohnnyB39: posts the ante 50
The Yox88: posts the ante 50
UPPERHAN1: posts the ante 50
beaneh: posts the ante 50
PureSickness: posts the ante 50
Horse93: posts the ante 50
JoeriP: posts the ante 50
eljay42: posts the ante 50
The Yox88: posts small blind 300
UPPERHAN1: posts big blind 600
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to beaneh [ Ah]
beaneh: raises 750 to 1350
PureSickness: calls 1350
Horse93: folds
JoeriP: folds
eljay42: folds
lonkay: folds
JohnnyB39: folds
The Yox88: folds
UPPERHAN1: folds
*** FLOP *** [ ]

.....?

[buzzharvey22]

bet 1650 and snap?

[geordieneil]

in relation to pot and stack sizes, i think i just shove. you probably get a call anyway off this donk with pocket deuces.

ur pretty short stacked, so get em in, u dont have a big enough stack to fold to a 3 bet, so let him make the decision, you want the call, but why risk letting him catching up

[titaniumbean]

And we're going to stack off because thinking players often flat wide this shallow utg vs utg+1??

What sort of range do you put him on pre?

[DMorgan]

If he's actually good, he has KK+ here

[titaniumbean]

also:


is open jam pre better with this stack?

[DMorgan]

Don't like jamming pre from UTG 'cos you're doing really badly against peoples calling ranges. From later position I think a jam is fine 'cos you're gunna get looked up lighter and it looks pretty weak to just open jam it. Wouldn't do it UTG though.

[buzzharvey22]

u have 15 bigs and ur gunna fold top top after raising pre with aj?massive spew if so.

and yeh it should just be shove or fold pre imo

[titaniumbean]

u have 15 bigs and ur gunna fold top top after raising pre with aj?massive spew if so.

and yeh it should just be shove or fold pre imo

omg not top top

[buzzharvey22]

u have top top with 13big blinds left, its the nuts surely??

[titaniumbean]

u have top top with 13big blinds left, its the nuts surely??

against a range of QQ+ is AJ on Jxx the nuts?

[SuuPRlim]

siiiick.

I have no idea, id DEFP bet/call in the vacuum cos id be all excited about having top top.
c/call c/fold turn best line, surely not. c/fold seems ridiculous

BET FOLD? problem here is tht he wont raise very often imo but is going to flat most things he's continuing with, so that just leaves you in equally tez spot on the turn with a nightmare SPR.

[titaniumbean]

siiiick.

I have no idea, id DEFP bet/call in the vacuum cos id be all excited about having top top.
c/call c/fold turn best line, surely not. c/fold seems ridiculous

BET FOLD? problem here is tht he wont raise very often imo but is going to flat most things he's continuing with, so that just leaves you in equally tez spot on the turn with a nightmare SPR.

I only see the options being

a) continue and stack off happy days, must be me betting bcos then I can be cbetting innit.

b) c/fold



what range do you reckon he has pre? it just seems so correct for him to be super strong always with the preflop action and stack sizes. if you notice the hand he messed about with a bluff raise on ATx r we were 40 bb effective and i'd opened in MP.

[DMorgan]

Against a competent reg he just never has anything else but KK, AA and maybe QQ. I don't see him ever playing AK/AQ this way.

If he's not too great then I guess he can have TT/99 here but even if his range is 99+ we're doing horribly 'cos I think he bet/folds 99 and TT and obv snaps you off with JJ+

As ridiculous as it sounds this looks like a c/f. I wish I could c/f this in game

[hatthehole]

hand 1 shows villian is an idiot. bet/call flop. also fold pre.