Is this a fold?

[silverslick]

***** Hand History for Game 23374043698 ***** (Full Tilt)
$50.00 USD NL Texas Hold'em - Thursday, August 26, 03:01:02 ET 2010
Table Mercury (Real Money)
Seat 2 is the button
Seat 1: 7Leiden7 ( $54.70 USD )
Seat 2: metro47 ( $99.10 USD )
Seat 3: pavvlyk52 ( $76.45 USD )
Seat 4: Solarius-NL ( $36.25 USD )
Seat 5: budgetcoach ( $123.40 USD )
Seat 6: at first - open ( $21.35 USD )
Seat 7: DARY1984 ( $20.00 USD )
Seat 8: lambourn ( $79.65 USD )
Seat 9: dmitrich909 ( $40.70 USD )
pavvlyk52 posts small blind [$0.25 USD].
Solarius-NL posts big blind [$0.50 USD].
** Dealing down cards **
Dealt to lambourn [  ]
budgetcoach folds
at first - open folds
DARY1984 calls [$0.50 USD]
lambourn raises [$2.00 USD]
dmitrich909 folds
7Leiden7 calls [$2.00 USD]
metro47 folds
pavvlyk52 raises [$6.25 USD]
Solarius-NL folds
DARY1984 folds
lambourn calls [$4.50 USD]
7Leiden7 calls [$4.50 USD]
** Dealing Flop ** [ , , ]
pavvlyk52 bets [$14.00 USD]
lambourn calls [$14.00 USD]
7Leiden7 calls [$14.00 USD]
** Dealing Turn ** [ ]
pavvlyk52 bets [$55.95 USD]
lambourn folds
7Leiden7 folds
pavvlyk52 wins $55.95 USD
pavvlyk52 wins $59.50 USD from main pot

I would like opinions on how I played this.

[SuuPRlim]

I really think this is a call call situation, I mean unless we have specific reads.

He's 3bet you out of the SB so I wouldnt think he has JT all thaat often. I mean we kinda block AA/KK and I spose he would 3bet a cutoff open with AQ/AJ/KQ often enough to give him enough hands that we beat.

his desicion to lead for full pot into 2 players is kinda interesting but I dont really know what that means...:s

So yeah call turn and river for me.

As for the whole hand I would 100% 4bet preflop, espcially as its multiway proving some more dead money in the pot pre makes 4bet calling all the more profitable, espcially as you be percieved to open/4betting a wider range (as in he knows you open the cutoff so 3bets wider, and you know he knows this so can 4bet wider - hence why he'll probably go all in with a wider range!)

Id probs make it something like $22 then you have an exact pot sized bet left.

[silverslick]

I had no reads. What stopped me being more aggressive pre was the third person in the pot still to act. I felt he was super strong going all in to two players. I put him on AA, KK, QQ, AK or AQ. I agree J 10 was unlikely given the action.

[SuuPRlim]

I think the second guy in the pot pre is showing such little strength that there isnt too much cause to worry about him, aalthough you're right that it make make the SB 3bet a little tighter

[DMorgan]

I really think this is a call call situation, I mean unless we have specific reads.

He's 3bet you out of the SB so I wouldnt think he has JT all thaat often. I mean we kinda block AA/KK and I spose he would 3bet a cutoff open with AQ/AJ/KQ often enough to give him enough hands that we beat.

his desicion to lead for full pot into 2 players is kinda interesting but I dont really know what that means...:s

So yeah call turn and river for me.

As for the whole hand I would 100% 4bet preflop, espcially as its multiway proving some more dead money in the pot pre makes 4bet calling all the more profitable, espcially as you be percieved to open/4betting a wider range (as in he knows you open the cutoff so 3bets wider, and you know he knows this so can 4bet wider - hence why he'll probably go all in with a wider range!)

Id probs make it something like $22 then you have an exact pot sized bet left.

imo its tough to give an unknown player at 25NL credit for being aware of this and even if he is then he probably doesn't know how to use that information to that extent.

That being said I call/call aswell and I think its a pretty clear call

Even if he only ever has a set or aces up there are only 5 combinations of cards that beat us (AhAs, KcKh, QcQd, QcQs, QdQs), 4 we chop with and there are 6 combos of AQ. I think he also shows up with hands like KQ and AJ some of the time so no reason to fold this imo