Cooler or avoidable?

[cambridgealex]

villain was competant (a rare find in this field) and was aggresive, 3betting quite frequently and knew me also to be aggresive. I had shown down one big bluff where I 3bet AQ blue, bet a 963flop, was called. tank checked a J turn to see a river where I could jam a lot of cards if i didnt bink. river was a K, i put him in for 1.4x pot and he tank folded a 6 he said. he asked to see and was alright so i showed him.

PokerStars Game #48888669815: Tournament #306252571, $20+$1 USD Hold'em No Limit - Match Round I, Level II (15/30) - 2010/08/30 17:56:44 WET [2010/08/30 12:56:44 ET]
Table '306252571 1' 2-max Seat #2 is the button
Seat 1: sgtbilko77 (1315 in chips)
Seat 2: 20alex430 (1685 in chips)
20alex430: posts small blind 15
sgtbilko77: posts big blind 30
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to 20alex430 [ ]
20alex430: raises 45 to 75
sgtbilko77: raises 105 to 180
20alex430: calls 105
*** FLOP *** [  
sgtbilko77: bets 229
20alex430: calls 229
*** TURN *** [   ] []
sgtbilko77: checks
20alex430: checks
*** RIVER *** [   ] [ ]
sgtbilko77: checks
20alex430: bets 575
sgtbilko77: raises 331 to 906 and is all-in
20alex430: calls 331
*** SHOW DOWN ***
sgtbilko77: shows [ ] (four of a kind, Kings)
20alex430: shows [ ] (a full house, Tens full of Kings)
sgtbilko77 collected 2630 from pot


Given history I thought peeling a flop with QT was fine. He bet the flop quickly, NOT like he had 99, or 88 for example, which he wouldnt snap bet this flop. but like he had hit it. I did still think I probably had between 4 and 9 outs. Probably shouldve folded the flop anyway.

He snap checked the turn, kind of like he had Ax and was waiting for me to spas out, but did have a feeling he might have AK, AA etc. Check river fairly quickly, though not as fast as the turn. Thought he was just waiting to snap me off with Ax or maybe QQ so I bet big, instead of putting him in again, thought he might fold if i did exactly the same thing as id done previously.

Fold the flop right? As played, how do you like my river line? and can i fold once he sets me in ever? as in, he obviously has be beat once he snap shoves the river, but getting like 8:1 or something silly...

[EvilPie]

[ ] cooler

[X] avoidable

River bet is awful mate.

When he leads flop what do you put him on? You're hardly beating anything. The odd Ax hand maybe. He has plenty of kings in his range as well as A10.

You're pretty much bluffing especially as you say he's competent. He isn't paying you off with an A here.

Bet fold may be ok in this spot but a much smaller bet. 400 would be ample. Personally though I prefer check / call.

By the way you'd be better off not posting the result of the hand. It's easy to give an answer when you already know the outcome.

[cambridgealex]

[ ] cooler

[X] avoidable

River bet is awful mate.

When he leads flop what do you put him on? You're hardly beating anything. The odd Ax hand maybe. He has plenty of kings in his range as well as A10.

You're pretty much bluffing especially as you say he's competent. He isn't paying you off with an A here.

Bet fold may be ok in this spot but a much smaller bet. 400 would be ample. Personally though I prefer check / call.

By the way you'd be better off not posting the result of the hand. It's easy to give an answer when you already know the outcome.

Yes, but in this case the outcome is obvious - I got beat, so whether he had KK or AAetc doesnt really matter imo.
Can't check call, am on the button once he checks I have to bet, and I usually wouldnt bet so big, like you said 300 or 400, but because of the history and the reasons I mentioned, I decided he was waiting with Ax to snap me off so went for more value. Agree should've folded the flop.

[DMorgan]

Preflop and flop look pretty standard. The river bet was a bit too big I think though, 400ish looks fine 'cos I don't think you're ever gunna get bluff raised here. Folding the flop is definitely an option against some players but if he is competant and has been 3betting and cbetting in 3bet pots a decent amount then peeling is fine here imo

I think you can fold the river against this guy though. If he's decent then he's never spazjamming an ace here, he just has to have it.

[Sack it off]

cudda folded river and played with 331

[cambridgealex]

Preflop and flop look pretty standard. The river bet was a bit too big I think though, 400ish looks fine 'cos I don't think you're ever gunna get bluff raised here. Folding the flop is definitely an option against some players but if he is competant and has been 3betting and cbetting in 3bet pots a decent amount then peeling is fine here imo

I think you can fold the river against this guy though. If he's decent then he's never spazjamming an ace here, he just has to have it.

agreed. sigh.

[AlexMartin]

pre looks marginal but ok, flop looks very optimistic, river looks ok.

Ofc we can look back and say b/f river ftw, but generally against a random i think it would be utterly terrible.

[EvilPie]

pre looks marginal but ok, flop looks very optimistic, river looks ok.

Ofc we can look back and say b/f river ftw, but generally against a random i think it would be utterly terrible.

I assumed we weren't up against a random here.

OP says oppo is competent which I guessed we hadn't deduced purely from 2 levels of play.

B/F vs a random who's checked to us twice would be bad I have to admit.

[DMorgan]

[quote author=EvilPie link=topic=49494.msg1228763#msg1228763 date=1283260158

OP says oppo is competent which I guessed we hadn't deduced purely from 2 levels of play.

B/F vs a random who's checked to us twice would be bad I have to admit.

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Playing one table heads up vs someone over 30 hands is a decent amount to know that he isn't really spewy/massive station which at this level makes him competant. If he was gunna spaz out and have anything but a K here then he'd have shown us by now or at least given us cause for suspicion imo