DTD Ruling at request of Simon Trumper

[outragous76]

Simon Trumper has requested I post a thread re: a ruling at DTD. Ill just post the facts - thoughts appreciated - Simon is happy to look into changing the DTD rulings as a result (pls dont comment on players plays)

Action folds to player 1 on the button @ 150 300

Player 1 min raises from button to 600

Player 2 in BB calls

Flop 5

player 2 checks, player 1 bets 800, player 2 raises to 2200

player 1 tanks and asks player 1 how much he has left, (reply came 6250)

Player 1 then (a little flustered) says ok I call (kidding himself player 2 was all in) and flips his cards (KK for the record).

Player 2 asks for ruling..........................................

over to you guys:

[mondatoo]

I would expect player 1s hand is live but he can only call on the turn and river he can't open the betting and maybe a warning afterwards ?

[titaniumbean]

Hand is live, the players an idiot, could well get a penalty after the hand but for the rest of the hand he just has to sit with his hand face up hating life and trying not to get levelled. normally he cant bet but he can cawl is the ruling no?

[Laxie]

What they said.  Hand is live.  He can't bet but can call.

[TightEnd]

Hand is live, the players an idiot, could well get a penalty after the hand but for the rest of the hand he just has to sit with his hand face up hating life and trying not to get levelled. normally he cant bet but he can cawl is the ruling no?

I think so

Hand is live, he can call but not make action or raise at any point is the ruling I would expect


DTD would give him an orbit penalty afterwards on the precedent of similar I saw last weekend, I think

[Karabiner]

Hand is live, the players an idiot, could well get a penalty after the hand but for the rest of the hand he just has to sit with his hand face up hating life and trying not to get levelled. normally he cant bet but he can cawl is the ruling no?

I think so

Hand is live, he can call but not make action or raise at any point is the ruling I would expect


DTD would give him an orbit penalty afterwards on the precedent of similar I saw last weekend, I think

I don't think a penalty would be appropriate here as he didn't expose his hand to gain an perceived advantage. He obviously thought that the action in the hand had finished.

It was simply a mistake as described whereas the penalty last week on my table (If that is the instance to which you are referring) was for a guy who deliberately exposed his hand before and while contemplating calling an allin.

[TightEnd]

Another hand ralph, on a final, accidental exposing and an orbit penalty

[doubleup]

What is the point of this?

Presumably DtD have a rule for exposed cards, and presumably that rule was applied.

[outragous76]

What is the point of this?

Presumably DtD have a rule for exposed cards, and presumably that rule was applied.

The OP  and title are quite clear

There was a  ruling at DTD - i discussed it with Simon, Simon asked that I post it on Blonde

any constructive input?

[doubleup]

What is the point of this?

Presumably DtD have a rule for exposed cards, and presumably that rule was applied.

The OP  and title are quite clear

There was a  ruling at DTD - i discussed it with Simon, Simon asked that I post it on Blonde

any constructive input?

The player has substantially disadvantaged himself by exposing his hand, no ruling is required other than an instruction to deal the turn.

My point is that DtD have a rule, so why not just tell us what it is and then get the input.

[ScottMGee]

This happened to me once at DTD playing 50p/£1 cash.

I thought the other player was all in on the flop, I called and flipped over QQ she had £20 back.

I thought the ruling would be that I could only call (as per an episode of Premier Poker League with Tony G) however DTD ruled I had all options open.

[MC]

I would expect player 1s hand is live but he can only call on the turn and river he can't open the betting and maybe a warning afterwards ?

this...

[outragous76]

What is the point of this?

Presumably DtD have a rule for exposed cards, and presumably that rule was applied.

The OP  and title are quite clear

There was a  ruling at DTD - i discussed it with Simon, Simon asked that I post it on Blonde

any constructive input?

The player has substantially disadvantaged himself by exposing his hand, no ruling is required other than an instruction to deal the turn.

My point is that DtD have a rule, so why not just tell us what it is and then get the input.

we can always progress he discussion

[Dewi_cool]

This happened to me at DTD last week, I shove utg with AK , 3rd position calls & turns his cards over (AQ), with 3 still to act, ruling was called for and he was told that his hand was live but he could no longer bet, BB goes all in, he folds, there was no penalty. I thought it was fair enough.

[doubleup]

What is the point of this?

Presumably DtD have a rule for exposed cards, and presumably that rule was applied.

The OP  and title are quite clear

There was a  ruling at DTD - i discussed it with Simon, Simon asked that I post it on Blonde

any constructive input?

The player has substantially disadvantaged himself by exposing his hand, no ruling is required other than an instruction to deal the turn.

My point is that DtD have a rule, so why not just tell us what it is and then get the input.

we can always progress he discussion

You are just getting ppl saying what they think the ruling at DtD is and not what they think should happen and why.