Arkward River spot

[SuuPRlim]

Live cash hand, basically Im OOP and find myself in a difficult river situation

£1.£2 im in the SB there has been a straddle

Playing about £260

limped round I complete to £4 with 
BB makes it £20 - now this player is what makes the hand tricky he is VERY LOOSE PASSIVE, peels a ton of hands pre-flop doesnt often raise pre, we have tons of history and he see's me as over aggro and makes a lot of moves (he's the villain in the 88 hand i posted and the MP player in the JJ hand) he covers me easily

flds to me I call (this is obv bad so no hating on it pls)

Flops 

I lead for £40. he calls

Turn is the  .

I chk, he chks

River is  .

This player never bluffs in this spot, NEVER. His range pre is pretty tight imo. Pot is about £135 I have £200 behind.

Chk/Call
Chk/Raise
Bet/Call
Bet/Fold

[George2Loose]

if he never bluffs can't we just check fold?

[AlexMartin]

definitely bet the turn also, as played, keys nailed it

[EvilPie]

Bet-fold ldo. If a thread is about "a tough river spot", bet-fold is nearly always gonna be the best line in a vacuum. Actually that's quite a blanket statement, in my hungover state and off the top of my head it feels about right tho, anyone strongly disagree? Hard to actually do the fold with 3 pairs too.

Still hung over.

Impressive.

[DMorgan]

Bet the turn and definitely bet now. Can't really see him having a better hand very often at all? I doubt just calls the flop and checks sets or KJ on the turn. If he sees you as over-aggro he can hero turn/river a lot aswell.

[psustudent]

I know you said no hating on it but you said villain "is VERY LOOSE PASSIVE, peels a ton of hands pre-flop doesnt often raise pre" this makes this call just really really bad esp. oop but from any position.

Anyway I do like donk bet out on flop, once he flats, I basically shutdown. I do like the turn check. He's loose passive who raised pre and now smoothcalls our flop bet. Whats his preflop raising/flatting flop range?

JJ+/AK (slightly less likely as you have a K),   AdQd,  AdJd and pretty much thats it.

Given that range, I'd check fold turn obv. What else is in preflop raising/flatting flop range that will bet turn that justifies a turn call? I cant really think of any hand. Loose passive will check QQ and AA almost everytime on that turn and never really betting.

And once he checks turn, I mean you can bet really small and snap fold if he raises or check and snap fold if he bets anything more than like 30% of pot (given villain description obv.)

[SuuPRlim]

I know you said no hating on it but you said villain "is VERY LOOSE PASSIVE, peels a ton of hands pre-flop doesnt often raise pre" this makes this call just really really bad esp. oop but from any position.

Anyway I do like donk bet out on flop, once he flats, I basically shutdown. I do like the turn check. He's loose passive who raised pre and now smoothcalls our flop bet. Whats his preflop raising/flatting flop range?

JJ+/AK (slightly less likely as you have a K),   AdQd,  AdJd and pretty much thats it.

Given that range, I'd check fold turn obv. What else is in preflop raising/flatting flop range that will bet turn that justifies a turn call? I cant really think of any hand. Loose passive will check QQ and AA almost everytime on that turn and never really betting.

And once he checks turn, I mean you can bet really small and snap fold if he raises or check and snap fold if he bets anything more than like 30% of pot (given villain description obv.)

Id just lost a HUGE pot two hands ago and didnt wanna fold  /thread r.e preflop

I dont think we can check fold george because he could easily bet worse for value, thoughts on sizing?

option 5, what about a shove? bearing in mind he'll call anything I bet if he has AK and betting a £100 and folding is pretty torturous!

[psustudent]

loose PASSIVE really dont bet worse for value on river by definition. If they have AK, they are happy to check it down given turn and river cards.

Bet 70 on river if you must and snap fold even to a minraise assuming hes very loose passive.

But given his range and image, you can save 70 by checking and expecting him to bet 70+ and snapfolding as youre gonna be beat here a lot of the time. Only hand you beat that will pay you off is AK while hands in his range that beat you are AA, KK, JJ, AQd, AJd.

[Whollyflush]

fold pre.

[pleno1]

fold pre.

Read thread.

[SuuPRlim]

fold pre.

lol - f hatge being this shallow tilts my life

[Whollyflush]

fold pre.

Read thread.

yes fold pre. We are OOP will a garbage hand against a passive villian who's popped it up from the BB.

[Whollyflush]

fold pre.

lol - f hatge being this shallow tilts my life

I know you comment in OP about "no comments on pre its bad" but its the biggest mistake in the hand so seems counter-intuitive to gloss over it. As played bet c/r and leaing flop are ok ( he likely has a tight range raising pre so is likely c/betting a decent amount even if he is passive). Bet turn, and probably jam river. Don't expect him to show up with many flushes (AQdd maybe) only aces, 1 combo of Kings and pocket jacks really beat u i think.

[SuuPRlim]

but if I know it's bad pre then I dont need help with that part of the hand, what i want opinions on is the river line.