what do i do on the river?

[outragous76]

PokerStars Game #49394464806: Tournament #329010874, $10+$1 USD Hold'em No Limit - Level XVII (2000/4000) - 2010/09/10 4:04:24 UTC [2010/09/10 0:04:24 ET]
Table '329010874 21' 9-max Seat #1 is the button
Seat 1: nagyzoltan77 (139994 in chips)
Seat 2: outragous76 (261549 in chips)
Seat 3: nutrinho87 (184192 in chips)
Seat 4: xxxrigger (51099 in chips) is sitting out
Seat 5: Daniel_Gbg (134863 in chips)
Seat 6: ace1won (64057 in chips)
Seat 7: beauW (112111 in chips)
Seat 8: atakmortal (73528 in chips)
Seat 9: Bambi-Naps (91138 in chips)
nagyzoltan77: posts the ante 400
outragous76: posts the ante 400
nutrinho87: posts the ante 400
xxxrigger: posts the ante 400
Daniel_Gbg: posts the ante 400
ace1won: posts the ante 400
beauW: posts the ante 400
atakmortal: posts the ante 400
Bambi-Naps: posts the ante 400
outragous76: posts small blind 2000
nutrinho87: posts big blind 4000
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to outragous76 [ ]
xxxrigger: folds
Daniel_Gbg: folds
ace1won: folds
beauW: folds
atakmortal: folds
Bambi-Naps: folds
nagyzoltan77: calls 4000
outragous76: calls 2000
nutrinho87: checks
*** FLOP *** [ Ah ]
outragous76: checks
nutrinho87: checks
nagyzoltan77: bets 12000
outragous76: calls 12000
nutrinho87: folds
*** TURN *** [ Ah ] []
outragous76: checks
nagyzoltan77: bets 24000
outragous76: calls 24000
*** RIVER *** [ Ah ] []

[pleno1]

PokerStars Game #49394464806: Tournament #329010874, $10+$1 USD Hold'em No Limit - Level XVII (2000/4000) - 2010/09/10 4:04:24 UTC [2010/09/10 0:04:24 ET]
Table '329010874 21' 9-max Seat #1 is the button
Seat 1: nagyzoltan77 (139994 in chips)
Seat 2: outragous76 (261549 in chips)
Seat 3: nutrinho87 (184192 in chips)
Seat 4: xxxrigger (51099 in chips) is sitting out
Seat 5: Daniel_Gbg (134863 in chips)
Seat 6: ace1won (64057 in chips)
Seat 7: beauW (112111 in chips)
Seat 8: atakmortal (73528 in chips)
Seat 9: Bambi-Naps (91138 in chips)
nagyzoltan77: posts the ante 400
outragous76: posts the ante 400
nutrinho87: posts the ante 400
xxxrigger: posts the ante 400
Daniel_Gbg: posts the ante 400
ace1won: posts the ante 400
beauW: posts the ante 400
atakmortal: posts the ante 400
Bambi-Naps: posts the ante 400
outragous76: posts small blind 2000
nutrinho87: posts big blind 4000
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to outragous76 [ ]
xxxrigger: folds
Daniel_Gbg: folds
ace1won: folds
beauW: folds
atakmortal: folds
Bambi-Naps: folds
nagyzoltan77: calls 4000
outragous76: calls 2000
nutrinho87: checks
*** FLOP *** [ Ah ]
outragous76: checks
nutrinho87: checks
nagyzoltan77: bets 12000
outragous76: calls 12000
nutrinho87: folds
*** TURN *** [ Ah ] []
outragous76: checks
nagyzoltan77: bets 24000
outragous76: calls 24000
*** RIVER *** [ Ah ] []

as played c/c i guess.

[boldie]

dont think oppo will check behind most of the time (assuming he doesn't have a FH)? your hand smells of a flush draw to me...will be tricky to get any value from this.

[paulhouk03]

donk value bet ftw

[pleno1]

raise flop maybe? he limped innit.

[outragous76]

As for raising flop, I thought his limp was weird. First time and I had 3 bet him last orbit. Wasn't sure what to put him on so played it small

[SuuPRlim]

donk value bet ftw

yeah probs....although getting raised is about the most puke-inducing thing ever.

I think if we think he hardly ever bluffs the river you can bet/fold....but  I think bet folding these hands in these spots is pretty exploitable...

I think I would Bet Call personally. (although CHK/CALLING seems fine aswel)

I know this isnt the OP, but what do people think of bet/3betting the flop here?

[pleno1]

donk value bet ftw

yeah probs....although getting raised is about the most puke-inducing thing ever.

I think if we think he hardly ever bluffs the river you can bet/fold....but  I think bet folding these hands in these spots is pretty exploitable...

I think I would Bet Call personally. (although CHK/CALLING seems fine aswel)

I know this isnt the OP, but what do people think of bet/3betting the flop here?

I like it and that;s probably exactly what I do after he limps pre.

[outragous76]

just as a thought

this was so out of the ordinary (the limp)  - i did consider AA as a potential holding, but discounted ths by the river (for obv reasons)

that is why i played the hand relatively passively.

[SuuPRlim]

just as a thought

this was so out of the ordinary (the limp)  - i did consider AA as a potential holding, but discounted ths by the river (for obv reasons)

that is why i played the hand relatively passively.

O yeah, fwiw I think the passive line here is absolutley fine. Might even be the best line, but hard to say cos these spots are just SO close.

[DMorgan]

I'd lead the flop and check/jam the river

[AlexMartin]

dont like pre, flop or turn tbh. as played i prolly fold, tonnes of flushes in our range and v few in his that would enable him to vbet worse (56cc only one?)