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« on: September 20, 2010, 04:03:36 PM »

villain is good reg, 15k chips at 15/30 30 min clock sick structure.

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« Reply #1 on: September 20, 2010, 04:29:17 PM »

Yuck, really think he always got here on the river? very sick but I call and cry....actually I probably fist pump call


And then cry.
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« Reply #2 on: September 20, 2010, 04:30:36 PM »

Jack is irrelevant
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« Reply #3 on: September 20, 2010, 04:31:35 PM »

Jack is irrelevant

then why are we folding?
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« Reply #4 on: September 20, 2010, 04:33:42 PM »

[X] I suppose he mght have got there
[  ] Folding eights full
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« Reply #5 on: September 20, 2010, 04:34:22 PM »

Jack is irrelevant

then why are we folding?

I mean its irrelevant in that the villain is not check raising the turn with JQ or JJ. So triggs decision is does the guy have QQ or not!
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« Reply #6 on: September 20, 2010, 04:35:50 PM »

I don't understand what he's c/r the turn with esp considering we haz two of dem eights. How many multi way flops were there?

If he's capable of raising the turn for value with just a bare queen then surely we cant be that scared of the river to fold, or do we  put him on QJ/Q8 once he jams river and we were thinking that a raggy river card would be ftw. surely if he can have and play QJ this way then he can also have AQ/KQ/QTs and play it the same. Considering it went bet call raise, on the flop if he has QQ surely he wouldn't c/r the turn because you'd have to have so many more bluffs and just the 3 combos of 88 that he can super stack.

I'm calling river I think. Also prob not playing 1k events
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« Reply #7 on: September 20, 2010, 04:37:14 PM »

Jack is irrelevant

then why are we folding?

I mean its irrelevant in that the villain is not check raising the turn with JQ or JJ. So triggs decision is does the guy have QQ or not!

If that's the only decision then it's not much of a decision and I call.
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« Reply #8 on: September 20, 2010, 04:39:47 PM »

ya he never has QJ the problem i had was that i felt my hand was pretty face up as 88 or AQ and villain must know this, I didnt think we had enough history for him to believe i would fold 88 in this spot.
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« Reply #9 on: September 20, 2010, 04:42:20 PM »

I don't understand what he's c/r the turn with esp considering we haz two of dem eights. How many multi way flops were there?

If he's capable of raising the turn for value with just a bare queen then surely we cant be that scared of the river to fold, or do we  put him on QJ/Q8 once he jams river and we were thinking that a raggy river card would be ftw. surely if he can have and play QJ this way then he can also have AQ/KQ/QTs and play it the same. Considering it went bet call raise, on the flop if he has QQ surely he wouldn't c/r the turn because you'd have to have so many more bluffs and just the 3 combos of 88 that he can super stack.

I'm calling river I think. Also prob not playing 1k events

doubt many people are running a bluff in this spot on QQ8 multiway
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« Reply #10 on: September 20, 2010, 04:47:50 PM »

i schrug call for reasons that marc talked about before. i dont think he'd c/r the turn w/QQ either. I mean if he has QQ then we have to be bluffing as we are repping Qx,88, so to raise he has to be super confident that we 100% have 88 but obv our bluffing range is alot bigger than having 88vqq on 8qq. I cawl.
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« Reply #11 on: September 20, 2010, 04:48:13 PM »

man i'd be best folding pre.



so if we don't think he does the turn c/r with Qx if we're going to fold river shouldn't we fold turn or are we thinking he doesn't c/r turn + follow through on riv so we can easily fold to the river shove?

so we're never calling down once we raise flop and get c/r on the turn?
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« Reply #12 on: September 20, 2010, 04:51:34 PM »

Never folding, I suspect he 3bets at least 2 combinations of the Q and the Q pre. Its possible hes retarded and raises AQ/KQ on the turn overrepping his hand, or that hes a player making a move with a 9Ts/TJs type hand with BDFD and gutterball. Him raising anything on the turn let alone Quads is just terrible since your never going to spazz with no history and such a dry board.

folding seems bad.
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« Reply #13 on: September 20, 2010, 04:53:08 PM »

I don't understand what he's c/r the turn with esp considering we haz two of dem eights. How many multi way flops were there?

If he's capable of raising the turn for value with just a bare queen then surely we cant be that scared of the river to fold, or do we  put him on QJ/Q8 once he jams river and we were thinking that a raggy river card would be ftw. surely if he can have and play QJ this way then he can also have AQ/KQ/QTs and play it the same. Considering it went bet call raise, on the flop if he has QQ surely he wouldn't c/r the turn because you'd have to have so many more bluffs and just the 3 combos of 88 that he can super stack.

I'm calling river I think. Also prob not playing 1k events

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« Reply #14 on: September 20, 2010, 05:27:06 PM »

Never folding, I suspect he 3bets at least 2 combinations of the Q and the Q pre. Its possible hes retarded and raises AQ/KQ on the turn overrepping his hand, or that hes a player making a move with a 9Ts/TJs type hand with BDFD and gutterball. Him raising anything on the turn let alone Quads is just terrible since your never going to spazz with no history and such a dry board.

folding seems bad.

hes a vgood winning reg.
its 25/50 with 15k stacks do you know how often people run bluffs with 9T/JTs hands in these spots?
and i very much doubt he's 3betting QQ here to an utg open this deep this early in a sick structure.
IDK, i have real trouble thinking he's gonna be spazzing off here. What does my hand look like to you guys, AQ/KQ/88 is he jamming river with AQ for value?
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