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« on: September 22, 2010, 05:29:58 PM » |
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So 4 handed FT on stars (yeah I have no idea how either).
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2 monster fish to my right, the CL since the last 5 tables is on my left and has been uber aggressive, playing 65/61/28%3b prob folding about 90% to 3b over ~90h.
4 handed we've been raising and winning vs the fish, they reshove infrequently, of my opens big stack has 3bet me a good few times and i've never had a hand or decent stack to play back. He's been opening super wide but barely called a reshove looking like he is trying to preserve his big stack.
One of the fish loses a flip to the other fish and the stacks are now
8.3m
4.5m (me)
3.5m (fish 2)
387k (fish 1)
blinds are 62500/125000/15625a
Fish 1 folds, fish 2 folds and i'm in SB with ATo (omg monster)
wat the f do I do?!!?
I feel that he will happily peado on me if I open, by either flatting or 3 betting, if he 3bets i'm going to want to stick it in his eye, if he 3b jams i'm gonna wanna snap it off, if I open jam then it seems bad and too much to do that with. How bad is folding?!
Payouts are 5.5/3.9/2.8/1.9
Halp me pls
edit also in the bvb situations up until this I have been a wet blanket, kept getting 23o kinda stuff for the last 5 ish orbits, so I will have been seen ridic nitty and horrible weak bvb. I'm not sure which way this should make him play back in this instance if he does.
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« Last Edit: September 22, 2010, 06:44:34 PM by titaniumbean »
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EvilPie
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« Reply #1 on: September 22, 2010, 05:49:20 PM » |
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titaniumbean
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« Reply #2 on: September 22, 2010, 05:50:52 PM » |
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EvilPie
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« Reply #3 on: September 22, 2010, 05:53:50 PM » |
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Pretty horrible spot though mate I know what you mean.
The silly short stack now gives big stack a huge advantage.
Personally I have to raise and probs get it in if poss but I'm pretty sure ICM just says fold.
This is why I hate ICM because it makes you fold nice hands.
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titaniumbean
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« Reply #4 on: September 22, 2010, 05:55:42 PM » |
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Pretty horrible spot though mate I know what you mean.
The silly short stack now gives big stack a huge advantage.
Personally I have to raise and probs get it in if poss but I'm pretty sure ICM just says fold.
This is why I hate ICM because it makes you fold nice hands.
If he has 8-10bb's I pfr snap jam and love life with the way the big stack is playing. But I feel he is playing so well/aggressively that he's gonna make life SOOO tough for me. If I open and he flats I will vomit all over my chest it'd just be so homme. How much less do I have to have to open jam?! |
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EvilPie
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« Reply #5 on: September 22, 2010, 06:12:27 PM » |
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Flatting could be an option then jam over a raise.
Hate life if he checks and you don't hit obv.
If you're anywhere between 10 and 15bbs I think it's a pretty easy jam even with shorty about to get ko'd.
Without putting the numbers in to a calc I really don't know. Someone will do it though I'm sure.
What would you say is his calling range if you were to jam now?
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titaniumbean
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« Reply #6 on: September 22, 2010, 06:14:46 PM » |
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Flatting could be an option then jam over a raise.
Hate life if he checks and you don't hit obv.
If you're anywhere between 10 and 15bbs I think it's a pretty easy jam even with shorty about to get ko'd.
Without putting the numbers in to a calc I really don't know. Someone will do it though I'm sure.
What would you say is his calling range if you were to jam now?
If I do a jam I think he looks, sees small stack, sees my jam and is like lol ok mate have my blind unless he has like AJs+/77+ I guess as me open jamming would look pretty weak considering his 3 bet % up to this point. I just don't like any option and the 3bb stack is in the bb next hand. sigh. if I have 12-20 bigs im fine with jamming it in his eye. meh edit he's one tabling (at least on stars) so I think he deffo notices all stack sizes etc etc edit maybe that range is even tighter considering how nitty i'd seemed and 36 bigs is quite alot to call off. I dunno I cant imagine he'd fold that much though really. |
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« Last Edit: September 22, 2010, 06:17:43 PM by titaniumbean »
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« Reply #7 on: September 22, 2010, 06:20:15 PM » |
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Jamming is obv gunna be +EV but I think you're a bit deep. Probably happy to just raise/fold. If the first guy didn't have 3bbs I'd happily raise/4bet or raise/call it off but with the super shorty I don't think we can get it in here and we certainly can't call it off.
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titaniumbean
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« Reply #8 on: September 22, 2010, 06:21:26 PM » |
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Jamming is obv gunna be +EV but I think you're a bit deep. Probably happy to just raise/fold. If the first guy didn't have 3bbs I'd happily raise/4bet or raise/call it off but with the super shorty I don't think we can get it in here and we certainly can't call it off.
nm my basic reading comprehension is so low. sigh. meeeeh ghay spot. more opinions pls I sucks. |
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« Reply #9 on: September 22, 2010, 09:45:39 PM » |
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icm aint gona take into consideration fact that you are gona be in the blinds every second hand, aswell as the table dynamics. Think against the mentioned villian raise/ 4 balling all in wouldnt be bad!
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« Reply #10 on: September 22, 2010, 11:43:48 PM » |
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With these dynamics think I would just shove, CL has to call pretty tight.
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titaniumbean
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« Reply #11 on: September 22, 2010, 11:51:58 PM » |
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With these dynamics think I would just shove, CL has to call pretty tight.
any guess at a competent players calling range for 1/2 his stack to an open jam?! would you say AJs+/77+ is ok? |
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titaniumbean
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« Reply #12 on: September 23, 2010, 12:34:14 AM » |
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limp/shove? limp/fold if he shoves I guess, my ICM isn't great either
I felt that anything I do with regards to not just opening will look weird. He's already shown a propensity to jam light/play back at any opportunity. But I also feel If I open he might flat which is the worst thing that could happen Imo, i'd rather raise call all in or raise 4 bjam. I felt like if I open jam he'd want to call more but I don't know how mcuh calling light affects his icm kinda more than i'm affected by the shortstack if that makes sense. I'm just confuzzeled as what the best play is here with this dynamic. edit I feel like with this dynamic I should be able to find a way to get a good edge for a decent pot, I just have no idea whats best looool  |
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« Reply #13 on: September 23, 2010, 01:22:46 AM » |
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just raise and you said you've been nitty in blinds so this should get you a fold a lot more. raise/fold pre.
if he flats. just c-bet/fold unfavorable flops.
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« Reply #14 on: September 23, 2010, 01:23:34 PM » |
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just raise and you said you've been nitty in blinds so this should get you a fold a lot more. raise/fold pre.
if he flats. just c-bet/fold unfavorable flops.
Are we deep enough? I limp 3bet jam is nice line, if he checks option then you can really level him on good flops for you, if you flop tez just c/fold? Although personally Id just open fold pre, and not tell anyone |
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