KK spot 2 hands into tilt $120 KO

[railtard1]

Dealt to ME  

Seat 1: ME ($2,990)
Seat 3: Dyzalot ($2,960)  
Seat 4: JohnnyBelow ($3,030)  Dealer
Seat 5: xXx Devilblade ($3,010) Posts small blind $10
Seat 6: UHBigTex ($3,000) Posts big blind $20
Seat 7: juninhotuk ($3,010)
Seat 8: Luk1985 ($3,000)
Seat 9: Tulli87 ($3,000)

FOLD juninhotuk
FOLD Luk1985
FOLD Tulli87
RAISE ME, to $60
FOLD Dyzalot
FOLD JohnnyBelow
FOLD xXx Devilblade
RAISE UHBigTex, to $180
CALL ME, $120

pot 370

   

BET UHBigTex, $200
CALL ME, $200

Turn: (Pot: $770)

   

BET UHBigTex, $420
CALL ME, $420

River: (Pot: $1,610)

   

BET UHBigTex, $810

ME ??

Ok this is either 2nd or 3rd hand into the tilt 10pm, $120 KO. I dont know much about villain tbh, have seen him around, but no history and no notes. Its the first hand i have opened and he has 3bet me from the bb, to exactly 3x my open size. I think pre is pretty standard?? The flop is my standard, but does anyone else do differently? On the turn
i kinda thought he might of bet a little more if he was trying to set up a river value jam. I dont think i can fold the turn (or do anythign else for that matter). The river is the interesting street IMO. His sizing has confused me. If he has AA, its getting thin for him, i have to have KK exactly or maybe AQ to payyyyyyyy him. There is obv a chance he has the same hand, however this is allways unlikely. Are we sigh calling? SIGH folding? or pulling out a super thin hero jam? I think alot of people will say its fine to call / call / call. But im not sure, i mean, what does my hand look like in this spot? I think my hand looks like AQ minimum.. REAL MINIMUM. I think turning my hand into a bluff is now not possible and even if it was the only hand i lose to that MIGHT fold is exactly AA. Is he EVER value towning himself?
opinions plz

[the rage]

How about re-raising on the turn? He could have some combination of flush and straight draws, so, having seen the turn cheaply, maybe re-raising here would put a difficult decision to your opponent and if you end the hand there, not a bad outcome. I wouldn't be liking the river card, but, i aren't smart enough to fold here, especially getting 3/1 with an overpair.

[EvilPie]

If you slow play KK pre this is no time to be getting scared and folding.

Personally I 4 bet pre and also raise flop.

You're only really beating AQ but as I said if you're slow playing KK you ain't going to get many better boards than this.

[outragous76]

im raising pre

or, now we are on the turn, committing to the pot

river - guess you gotta call the way you played it - probs coin flipping as to whether you are beat or not (plenty cc hands can try and rep something else)

[pleno1]

fyi, you've left your alias in the HH

[pleno1]

i fold river, but guessing you called and he had something really spewy.

[NigDawG]

oh and easy 4 bet pre. stack that AK yo!

[railtard1]

oh and easy 4 bet pre. stack that AK yo!

Like, i prefer to have an under repped hand, than an over repped hand. Im sure u understand what i mean by this. As played u call / call / call?

[EvilPie]

oh and easy 4 bet pre. stack that AK yo!

Like, i prefer to have an under repped hand, than an over repped hand. Im sure u understand what i mean by this. As played u call / call / call?

Once you've played the 'under repped' card what other choice do you have?

Surely you were looking for max value? Isn't that what you've got?

[pleno1]

Villains value range on the river abs smashes ours therefore I fold as I think he is rarely bluffing.

Don't mind calling pre at all as we are never 4betting as a bluff so he will fold hands that we can get to commit lots of chips post flop, the way the board has fell, all of those hands (except AK) have got there, and Idont think he'd 2 barrel AK on that turn card as our hand looks very TPTK range and people just very rarely fold those kinds of hands, especially when played as passively.

[railtard1]

oh and easy 4 bet pre. stack that AK yo!

Like, i prefer to have an under repped hand, than an over repped hand. Im sure u understand what i mean by this. As played u call / call / call?

Once you've played the 'under repped' card what other choice do you have?

Surely you were looking for max value? Isn't that what you've got?

yeh. interested to see if anybody shoves the river for valueeeeeeeeeeeeee

[NigDawG]

oh and easy 4 bet pre. stack that AK yo!

Like, i prefer to have an under repped hand, than an over repped hand. Im sure u understand what i mean by this. As played u call / call / call?

doubt he 3bet folds any value hand tho, like in most circumstances i'd peel pre and yh you dont have a 4bet bluffing range pre antes, but similarly he shouldn't 3b fold many hands here himself. and we stack AK/QQ/JJ/TT pre especially in this tournament with the bounty

[railtard1]

Villains value range on the river abs smashes ours therefore I fold as I think he is rarely bluffing.

Don't mind calling pre at all as we are never 4betting as a bluff so he will fold hands that we can get to commit lots of chips post flop, the way the board has fell, all of those hands (except AK) have got there, and Idont think he'd 2 barrel AK on that turn card as our hand looks very TPTK range and people just very rarely fold those kinds of hands, especially when played as passively.

nice post.

The poiint is, how often is he value towning himself? if ever?

[Rupert]

4 bet pre fold river !

[pleno1]

Villains value range on the river abs smashes ours therefore I fold as I think he is rarely bluffing.

Don't mind calling pre at all as we are never 4betting as a bluff so he will fold hands that we can get to commit lots of chips post flop, the way the board has fell, all of those hands (except AK) have got there, and Idont think he'd 2 barrel AK on that turn card as our hand looks very TPTK range and people just very rarely fold those kinds of hands, especially when played as passively.

nice post.

The poiint is, how often is he value towning himself? if ever?

Never, I doubt he ever has AQ so impossible to be value towning himself as neve 3betting this pre. Only way he could be value towning himself is if he was betting AA, but then I guess you;d be value calling-towning yourself.

I'm going to look like a dick when you show that he flips over 78cc, but I think this is a pretty clear fold.