Redundancy

[Girgy85]

No min wage job cant pay most peoples bills and provide a level of income they require just to get by. Ofcourse there are lots of shit jobs out there...

Well imo if they don't take the shit jobs they should have benefits withdrawn, pretty simple. Life isn't supposed to be easy.........

some people cant offord to work min wage, better off on dole. blame the system.

How is dole better than earning ur own crust?

It's not really, but when you add on housing benefit and all that stuff, some are better off just sitting at home.

Good time for some peops to experiment with self-employment imo

This is the reason why our countrys in the shit!

[Woodsey]

No min wage job cant pay most peoples bills and provide a level of income they require just to get by. Ofcourse there are lots of shit jobs out there...

Well imo if they don't take the shit jobs they should have benefits withdrawn, pretty simple. Life isn't supposed to be easy.........

try living on benefits then tell me it's easy. think i'd better turn the computer off for a bit.

I can tell its tough for you from your posts obv, unfortunately there are plenty that do take it as the easy option. Not meaning to be a nob to you obv, just expressing my honest thoughts however harsh they may sound...........

[Girgy85]

Genuine Question to Claire, If you got offered a Job in a Supermarket 38 hours a week £6 per hour, would you accept it or would you wait for a position more suitable for you?

[TightPaulFolds]

No min wage job cant pay most peoples bills and provide a level of income they require just to get by. Ofcourse there are lots of shit jobs out there...

Well imo if they don't take the shit jobs they should have benefits withdrawn, pretty simple. Life isn't supposed to be easy.........

some people cant offord to work min wage, better off on dole. blame the system.

How is dole better than earning ur own crust?

It's not really, but when you add on housing benefit and all that stuff, some are better off just sitting at home.

Good time for some peops to experiment with self-employment imo

This is the reason why our countrys in the shit!

Yep, new govt might change things a bit.

Also the reason why we had so many great bands for last 3 decades! Sit at home dreaming up tunes while Johnny Taxpayer pays your way

[StuartHopkin]

Also huge sigh that the finding a job is easy debate is going to be brought back up,must remember to ignore rest of this thread.

There are always jobs, its people being fussy about the job they do that is the problem.......

Like I say cba to have the same debate again but at work recently we had a minimum wage job become available and there was at least 150 applications for it.

Did this job have some prospects or training involved?

Assistant in Stores dept,so not really.

NHS though yeah? Theres something about the place.
I applied for a job there back in the day, same thing, 'Firstly we would just like to say well done, from over 600 applications, you have made it to round one of the interviews'

No pressure then!

[mondatoo]

Also huge sigh that the finding a job is easy debate is going to be brought back up,must remember to ignore rest of this thread.

There are always jobs, its people being fussy about the job they do that is the problem.......

Like I say cba to have the same debate again but at work recently we had a minimum wage job become available and there was at least 150 applications for it.

Did this job have some prospects or training involved?

Assistant in Stores dept,so not really.

NHS though yeah? Theres something about the place.
I applied for a job there back in the day, same thing, 'Firstly we would just like to say well done, from over 600 applications, you have made it to round one of the interviews'

No pressure then!

It's not the NHS,we just do work for them.

[Claw75]

No min wage job cant pay most peoples bills and provide a level of income they require just to get by. Ofcourse there are lots of shit jobs out there...

Well imo if they don't take the shit jobs they should have benefits withdrawn, pretty simple. Life isn't supposed to be easy.........

try living on benefits then tell me it's easy. think i'd better turn the computer off for a bit.

I can tell its tough for you from your posts obv, unfortunately there are plenty that do take it as the easy option. Not meaning to be a nob to you obv, just expressing my honest thoughts however harsh they may sound...........

the only people that are living an 'easy' life on benefits, imo, are people that are swindling and doing cash in hand work, or claiming what they shouldn't (eg saying they live alone, but living with a partner), and there are far too many of them around.  Those are the people that need to be cracked down on.  No one is living the Life of Riley on £65 a week jobseekers allowance.  As I'm a single parent I get additional income in the form of child benefit and child tax credit, so taking a VERY low paid (eg minimum wage) job would leave me worse off once childcare and stuff is taken into the equation.  Yes Girgy, I'd much rather earn my own money - of course I would - I fking hate feeling like a sponger, but as a parent would it not be irresponsible of me in a way to spend less time with my daughter so i can go out to work in a job that means I am struggling even more financially?

Single people with no dependants simply can't be better off not working though, except perhaps in London and other places where rent is very high.  I'm sure our friend Kev would attest to that if he could

[Claw75]

Genuine Question to Claire, If you got offered a Job in a Supermarket 38 hours a week £6 per hour, would you accept it or would you wait for a position more suitable for you?

genuine response to girgy.  i have applied for such jobs.  [ ] i have got anywhere.  I'd take it (if it was financially viable - see last post) and keep looking for something better.  Employers aren't quick to give jobs like that to people they think are overqualified and using it as a stopgap though.

[Woodsey]

Genuine Question to Claire, If you got offered a Job in a Supermarket 38 hours a week £6 per hour, would you accept it or would you wait for a position more suitable for you?

genuine response to girgy.  i have applied for such jobs.  [ ] i have got anywhere.  I'd take it (if it was financially viable - see last post) and keep looking for something better.  Employers aren't quick to give jobs like that to people they think are overqualified and using it as a stopgap though.

I have to say I do have a problem with people not taking jobs because they don't pay enough and are better off on benefits. I probably shouldn't say much more than that really, that said it is the fault of the system............

[Claw75]

Genuine Question to Claire, If you got offered a Job in a Supermarket 38 hours a week £6 per hour, would you accept it or would you wait for a position more suitable for you?

genuine response to girgy.  i have applied for such jobs.  [ ] i have got anywhere.  I'd take it (if it was financially viable - see last post) and keep looking for something better.  Employers aren't quick to give jobs like that to people they think are overqualified and using it as a stopgap though.

I have to say I do have a problem with people not taking jobs because they don't pay enough and are better off on benefits. I probably shouldn't say much more than that really, that said it is the fault of the system............

As I said before, no single person with no dependants who is only living on benefits should be able to say that if they geniunely have no other income.  maybe the problem is with the level of the minimum wage rather than the benefits system.  i have a child, i have to have a 2 bedroomed flat.  average rent where i live for such a property is £900-£1k a month.  I choose instead to live in a rundown shithole for £200 a month less. Oh and childminders cost around £5 an hour

Girgy's example of a £6 p/h job for 38 hours a week generates a gross income of £987 a month.  

It'd be nice to be in a position to be offered a job like that to be faced with the dilemma and do the sums.  As I said, i've been applying for posts like that because I'd rather be doing something.  if people really think that there are jobs out there just waiting to be filled because no one wants to do them then take a look again at the number of applicants these posts are getting.

[ripple11]

 We have about 150 foreign students learning English in London at any one time,and I'd say 90% of them are working. (legally I might add)
 About 50%-60% of them get a job within a month of arriving in the UK.
 Ok its cleaning,restaurant work,manual labour etc., but they go looking the day after arriving, and don't stop until they found something.(newspapers/gumtree/walking the streets/friends recommendations etc)
  Given time and hard work, the waiter/cleaner/labourer turns into a supervisor/ manager/own company.
  Of course most are young free and single and 4/5 of them to a flat, which really helps, but there never seems to be a shortage of these types of jobs.

[Claw75]

As an example of the current job market, these are some adverts on the main site I'm using for jobsearching.  The ones with negotiable salaries will obv be higher than min wage (but not well paid by any stretch i would imagine) - the sheer number of applicants gives an indication of just how much competition there is for relatively low paid jobs atm though.

These jobs were added today or yesterday, so number of apps received is in 12-36 hours:

Kitchen Assistant/ General Cleaner
Location London, South East England Salary £5.93 - £7.50 per hour Applications 34

Housing Maintenance/Cleaner
Location Walthamstow, LondonSalary £6.00 - £6.50 per hour, pro-rata Applications 35

Cleaner
Location Tulse Hill, LondonSalary £6.00 - £6.50 per hour, pro-rata Applications 33

Supplier Queries Payment Clerk
Location Holborn, London Salary Salary Negotiable Recruiter Sainsbury's Applications 428

These are a couple of weeks old:

Careers in Customer Service
Location United Kingdom, United KingdomSalary Salary NegotiableRecruiterHSBC RetailApplications 6549

Careers in customer service
Location United Kingdom, United KingdomSalary Salary NegotiableRecruiterHSBC RetailApplications 11387

1 week old:

Night Cleaner
Location White City, LondonSalary £6.50 per hour Applications 96

Customer Service Officer
Location United Kingdom, United Kingdom Salary Salary Negotiable Recruiter HVC Natwest Applications 3519

[Claw75]

  Of course most are young free and single and 4/5 of them to a flat, which really helps, but there never seems to be a shortage of these types of jobs.

it makes a massive difference.  I left school during the last recession, and jobs were scarce then too, but obviously money wasn't such an issue as I was living at home.  i traipsed round every town centre within a bus ride's distance enquiring in every shop whether there were jobs going.  eventually got a position as an office junior for £45 a week which started me off.  In many ways it was much easier then though - if I handed my current CV in for the same job now it'd get immediately tossed aside.

[Josedinho]

Might be ignorant but if you're unemployed are you not better of living up North where stuff is cheaper. Especially rent.

[Claw75]

Might be ignorant but if you're unemployed are you not better of living up North where stuff is cheaper. Especially rent.

employed or unemployed probably