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« on: November 16, 2010, 01:11:51 PM »

0.50/1 at gala nottingham. straddle, i open to £11 utg with  , MP flats. SB short stack pushes for £13 total (yes £13). Straddle calls, I call, MP calls. MP is chinese gambler. An hour previously he tried to bluff me off bottom pair then when I called him down he made some comment about it being hard to bluff me or something (obv, i dont fold).

I bet £16 on a    flop, trying to build a side pot for when i bink and to iso vs the allinshortie. MP and straddle both call. Turn is a  , straddle checks, I bet £34. Mr Chinese man calls, straddler folds. River comes a  . I figure if MP has a Q (i thought likely) then he won't fold, and I now have the best hand if he has a smaller pair. I check. He nonchalantly chucks in £25.

I think I can't possibly be good here, with the history, the betsize. the side pot etc, this must be at least a Q and Im getting value towned. Despite the great price, I tanked and folded. He flips over 62o. Sigh.

The SB who was allin goes to muck his hand. Everyone's like nononono dont muck he has 6 high. The guy turns over 52o. Mr Chinese scoops both pots....

Amazing. How do you like my line on the flop, turn and river?
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« Reply #1 on: November 16, 2010, 01:29:20 PM »

I can't find a fold for £25 into £168 after the river, thats for sure, history or not. 

(next time post without the reveal, its more intriguing!)
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« Reply #2 on: November 16, 2010, 01:30:37 PM »

lol

Bet more on flop, perhaps check turn, call river...
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« Reply #3 on: November 16, 2010, 01:32:22 PM »

£16 into £49 just aint right and is probs where this hand gets all bizarre. Make it £30.

As played defo call river, he has 6 high ffs! Plus your getting some nice odds!
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« Reply #4 on: November 16, 2010, 01:34:32 PM »

How much you got behind on river? Shove?
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« Reply #5 on: November 16, 2010, 01:38:36 PM »

£11 UTG even allowing for the straddle?
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« Reply #6 on: November 16, 2010, 01:45:58 PM »

£11 UTG even allowing for the straddle?

Seems about right for a splish sploshy Gala game
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« Reply #7 on: November 16, 2010, 01:56:16 PM »

£11 UTG even allowing for the straddle?

Seems about right for a splish sploshy Gala game

Too small even. Nothing wrong with opening for £25 if they're still calling worse.

I like the flop bet sizing, we have the nut draw we don't want to bet £30 or whatever people are saying because we don't want to people to fold their draws, we want to get more money in the pot when we have good equity.

I don't see why you bet the turn, leaves you open to getting shoved on and clearly these people aren't smart enough to size their bets to price you off a check-call with the nut flush draw. Obv call the river, he could be vbetting worse as well as bluffing, fish can't don't think about how often they get called by worse, most likely here he called flop and turn with a 4 and now you have stopped betting he thinks he is 'probably ahead' and so bets.
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« Reply #8 on: November 16, 2010, 02:14:31 PM »

meh I want to say I disagree with alot of the above, but he's James Mfkin Keys so I'm staying quiet.
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« Reply #9 on: November 16, 2010, 02:16:08 PM »

I can't find a fold for £25 into £168 after the river, thats for sure, history or not. 

(next time post without the reveal, its more intriguing!)

can see the merit of not posting results of course, but in this case the result it what makes the hand so bizarre. but could've left it out for a while to see if anyone could guess that he scooped with 6high i guess!
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« Reply #10 on: November 16, 2010, 02:18:21 PM »

yeah but if you just say do you call the river (without revealing the 6 high)? and you are getting nearly 7-1, 100% say call, that's my point

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« Reply #11 on: November 16, 2010, 02:20:40 PM »

meh I want to say I disagree with alot of the above, but he's James Mfkin Keys so I'm staying quiet.

my thoughts exactly. james, why does betting the turn "leave us open to get shoved on". ideal semi bluff spot no, firing a strong 2nd bullet into 2 players with decent equity if we're called? I dont think this villain is vbetting a 4 (or similar) ever here. He may be bluffing yes, but its just such a shit bluff -  25 in 168 that i levelled myself into thinking that it couldnt be a bluff.
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« Reply #12 on: November 16, 2010, 02:21:33 PM »

yeah but if you just say do you call the river (without revealing the 6 high)? and you are getting nearly 7-1, 100% say call, that's my point



yup a unanimous answer is always nice. ty
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« Reply #13 on: November 16, 2010, 02:26:34 PM »

meh I want to say I disagree with alot of the above, but he's James Mfkin Keys so I'm staying quiet.

my thoughts exactly. james, why does betting the turn "leave us open to get shoved on". ideal semi bluff spot no, firing a strong 2nd bullet into 2 players with decent equity if we're called? I dont think this villain is vbetting a 4 (or similar) ever here. He may be bluffing yes, but its just such a shit bluff -  25 in 168 that i levelled myself into thinking that it couldnt be a bluff.

Personally I think it was pretty awesome!  Wink
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« Reply #14 on: November 16, 2010, 02:33:59 PM »

FWIW the disagreing with betting the turn was one of the only things I agreed with. Funny ol game ey.
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