PLO. 5-bet pot. Flop spot.

[Laxie]

Is there ever a time where when presented with the pf betting that went on anyone is thinking sod the odds and fold once the flop hits because we're miles behind here? 

With a J on the turn he's even more screwed and it's a snap fold with a broken wrist from doing it so fast...imo of course.

why?

Sigh.  I've lots to learn about Omaha, no doubt.  But already we're faced with K Q 10 flop and you throw a J in the mix for fun.  Even if we forget the suited flop side of things, I'm still thinking I'm MILES behind here.  People often raise mad with the likes of A K Q J double suited and the like.

Cos has AA pre and AA post.  Nothing more.  I'm genuinely very surprised at the number of people who seem to be married to AAxx pre here.  He's got one great hand and one ok hand but neither helps the other once the flop hits.  And there's a whole lotta hands gonna beat AA in Omaha imo.  I just don't understand the reasoning behind stacking off.

Surely there are times where even despite the odds, it's right to fold.  No?

[Patonius2000]

Fwiw when the turn is a jack we have a straight to the queen.

[Patonius2000]

yes tyvm to Patonius for a sick post.

np, if anyone wants any of my post explaining further I would be happy to oblige, i posted for discussions' sake.

[Laxie]

Fwiw when the turn is a jack we have a straight to the queen.

I totally respect and appreciate what you've posted here already but are you serious about the straight to the Q being considered a good hand here?

With all that's on the board K Q 10...then comes J.  89 is good here?  My god.  Wish the bottom end of a straight was good on my tables.

Not trying to take the piss or insult.  Genuinely gobsmacked is all.  Wondering how it matters in any positive way and what your thinking (bar all the fancy maths) is behind that statement.

[Patonius2000]

Fwiw when the turn is a jack we have a straight to the queen.

I totally respect and appreciate what you've posted here already but are you serious about the straight to the Q being considered a good hand here?

With all that's on the board K Q 10...then comes J.  89 is good here?  My god.  Wish the bottom end of a straight was good on my tables.

Not trying to take the piss or insult.  Genuinely gobsmacked is all.  Wondering how it matters in any positive way and what your thinking (bar all the fancy maths) is behind that statement.

I wouldn't say it is a good hand, there are obviously still lots of hands villain can have that have us drawing dead. The reason we have to go with it is because we have enough equity with a Qhi straight (we need 29%) to call off/jam the last $160 vs any 4b/call range imaginable. 29% is not a lot in poker.

[GreekStein]

Fwiw when the turn is a jack we have a straight to the queen.

I totally respect and appreciate what you've posted here already but are you serious about the straight to the Q being considered a good hand here?

With all that's on the board K Q 10...then comes J.  89 is good here?  My god.  Wish the bottom end of a straight was good on my tables.

Not trying to take the piss or insult.  Genuinely gobsmacked is all.  Wondering how it matters in any positive way and what your thinking (bar all the fancy maths) is behind that statement.

Don't forget we have two aces in our hand

[Laxie]

Fwiw when the turn is a jack we have a straight to the queen.

I totally respect and appreciate what you've posted here already but are you serious about the straight to the Q being considered a good hand here?

With all that's on the board K Q 10...then comes J.  89 is good here?  My god.  Wish the bottom end of a straight was good on my tables.

Not trying to take the piss or insult.  Genuinely gobsmacked is all.  Wondering how it matters in any positive way and what your thinking (bar all the fancy maths) is behind that statement.

Don't forget we have two aces in our hand

   

[SuuPRlim]

Is there ever a time where when presented with the pf betting that went on anyone is thinking sod the odds and fold once the flop hits because we're miles behind here? 

With a J on the turn he's even more screwed and it's a snap fold with a broken wrist from doing it so fast...imo of course.

why?

Sigh.  I've lots to learn about Omaha, no doubt.  But already we're faced with K Q 10 flop and you throw a J in the mix for fun.  Even if we forget the suited flop side of things, I'm still thinking I'm MILES behind here.  People often raise mad with the likes of A K Q J double suited and the like.

Cos has AA pre and AA post.  Nothing more.  I'm genuinely very surprised at the number of people who seem to be married to AAxx pre here.  He's got one great hand and one ok hand but neither helps the other once the flop hits.  And there's a whole lotta hands gonna beat AA in Omaha imo.  I just don't understand the reasoning behind stacking off.

Surely there are times where even despite the odds, it's right to fold.  No?

Sorry I wasn't saying u were wrong when i sed "Why?" I was just asking
I agree 100% with you on the flop.

Personally I think if he jams the turn we have to call off because he has enough sets/2p's and we block braodway pretty decently, coupled with the fact that in our villains mind we jam pretty much EVERYTHING that now makes braodway.
Plus we only need 29% vs his entire range so imo it's a call but I was genuinely interested in what other opinions were out there.

[SuuPRlim]

If your gonna 5 bet and then not shove, just dont 5 bet.

Call the 4 bet and play the streets you have position.

I think this is kind of a short sighted view. We;re trying to make the most profitable desicions as they occur, pre flop we can 5bet and show a profit, he can 6bet shove hands we have +equity vs and he can peel and we'll either stack him or make 3x the money when we win it on the flop, however this is PLO and different board textures can make a HUGE impact on the hand, now on the flop we have a range for the villian (gd KKxx hands/strong DS rundowns/good dbl paired hands, JJTT etc) and this flop smashed that range directly. It would be a mistake to stack off on this flop (as ROb's GCSE math lesson proved) the fact that we've 5bet pre doesnt change this.

In a tournament this would be different ofc.

[Skgv]

Am i really missing something here? You have less than a pot size bet back on the flop, once he's checked its such an auto shove.

Once you've 5 bet its going in regardless of flop.

Please stop this thread ! he s got 60% of his chips left why murder them ! its a FOLD 10 TIME OUT OF 10 UNLESS THE PLAYER IS A MANIAC which hes not or greeky would of said!

well i had no info on him at all.

Pete what do you think of the way opponent played the hand?

For those stakes absolutely standard! You havnt really done anything badly wrong either an maybe his call is a bit of a gamble but hes got loads of chips so probaly would get away if he didnt like flop. its plo!

[Ironside]

I play more plo comes than cash but I would check flop and shove turn if checked to me, way hand is played your getting called on flop by any 2 pair or set which are very likely in his range on turn he isn't getting odds to make those calls so likely only getting called by jack flush

[George2Loose]

why did u post results costas?

[titaniumbean]

why did u post results costas?

because he's the fish obv.

[SuuPRlim]

I play more plo comes than cash but I would check flop and shove turn if checked to me, way hand is played your getting called on flop by any 2 pair or set which are very likely in his range on turn he isn't getting odds to make those calls so likely only getting called by jack flush

He calls every flush at every point of this hand trust me

[Skgv]

why did u post results costas?

Was a misatke obv ? i didnt c it anyway ! but thanks for ruining it for us...........